Posted on 01/17/2023 5:50:43 PM PST by Jonty30
When Hitler was running out of resources, because he outspent Germany's future, his action was to attack Poland.
So it makes me wonder if the reason for the war is that West has outspent its future and it wants the wealth of Russia to try and keep going.
Ukraine has an estimated $13 trillion in mineral wealth. Russia probably has hundreds of trillions in mineral stored in the lands that it isn't making use of, for whatever reason it has chosen to not take advantage of.
Not kooky. The state of environments and their constituent organisms is a dynamic thing, which depends greatly on the physical conditions. The state of the atmosphere is one of them. Rainfall and temperature are others.
Consider what happened to the Sahara desert. It seems to flip back and forth from being a desert as it is today to being a fairly well-watered plain, on a timescale of a few thousand years, maybe even just 1000 years. In that time it goes from an ecosystem of grass and trees with elephants and rhinos to now, where in much of it the highest life form is the jerboa (desert rat).
The reason for that seems to be linked to global temperatures. For instance Sahara rainfall seems to have greatly increased during the “little ice age”, the 16th-18th centuries, and much of it turned green.
Oh come on. The sahara flipped green to brown over and over WAY before the industrial revolution!! Go away....
The more CO2 the better. At the current 430PPM we could double it in 100 years if we try hard enough.
What I’m saying has nothing to do with the industrial revolution. Compartmentalize, man!
What I object to is the use of the billion year timescale to make a point.
Seems like the average over time is close to 3,000PPM!!!!
It would be a serious problem if the Earth were either cooling or warming rapidly, more so than current ecosystems have had to deal with on human timescales. Arguably cooling may be worse, or much worse, especially if it comes to a real ice age. On the other hand cooling seems to do some nice things, like greening the Sahara.
But thats not really relevant to the political question, which has to do with whether humans are relevant to all this in the first place, and if so how, and if so what to do about it.
And plant life of the time adapted to that. And then it all adapted to much less. Thats not the issue.
We are talking about dynamic systems operating on timescales vastly greater than human existence.
So that's the reason the West sent those columns of tanks towards Moscow, rocket-bombed St. Petersburg, and committed atrocities in Petrozavodsk!
Now it's finally beginning to all make sense!
/mordant sarcasm
Regards,
You didn't read buwaya's final sentence:
Personally I am more interested in the last 10,000 years, during the current interglacial. You can make a perfectly good case going no further back.
Regards,
“So it makes me wonder if the reason for the war is that West has outspent its future and it wants the wealth of Russia to try and keep going. Ukraine has an estimated $13 trillion in mineral wealth. Russia probably has hundreds of trillions in mineral stored in the lands that it isn’t making use of, for whatever reason it has chosen to not take advantage of.”
I think you have it backwards, since the West has made it clear that they want to “Weaken Russia”, want “Regime Change” in Russia, and want to break up Russia, into 8 or so much smaller countries that they can control. They never had any intention to allow Russia to set its own path and follow it.
But you are on track regarding resources. The TOTAL OBSESSION of Western leaders with Global Warming means that both Russia and Ukraine MUST BE under their control, for if Russia/Ukraine continues to sell large quantities of their carbon-based fuels, particularly to China who will take whatever they can get, then the planet CANNOT be saved (in their twisted minds) - and countries using these cheap, reliable, resources will have NO REASON to answer to the West, which is quickly becoming Third World anyway.
But if Russia/Ukraine is controlled by the West, then all of these resources will remain safely underground - and the world will be on a much more level playing field.
The resources won’t be on the ground. They will be bought for pennies on the dollar and then repackaged as miracle substances as soon as the globalists own it.
The resources won’t be on the ground. They will be bought for pennies on the dollar and then repackaged as miracle substances as soon as the globalists own it.
George Soros has been buying coal stocks around the world, including Alberta’s coal supply.
“The resources won’t be on the ground. They will be bought for pennies on the dollar and then repackaged as miracle substances as soon as the globalists own it.”
They will, eventually, sell it, since some fossil fuels will always be required, but over many decades, or even centuries, but only after impoverishing the rest of the world with their ‘clean energy’ (something that cannot be done if Russia/Ukraine kept control of their fuels). The amount of money they get will be rather trivial.
The FIRST PRIORITY is keeping those resources off the open market, since there is simply no way that the West can lead the world after self-inflicting their suicide, while the rest of the world prospers thanks to those resources.
“They will be bought for pennies on the dollar and then repackaged as miracle substances as soon as the globalists own it.”
I see your point - but I don’t buy it. These people wouldn’t be destroying their own economies if that were true, as they’re already doing with their windmills and near-useless solar panels (at least in Europe).
I agree with you, in the beginning, that is how it is going to be. However, I’m predicting that, once they own it outright, they will then allow it back on the market and sell it to the common people. Gas might be $15/gallon, or something.
Everything about the elites have been engineering towards owning the world. Once they own it, then it will be back on the market. The effect will be the same, you won’t be able to drive more than 100 miles/week, at the very least because you won’t be able to afford to.
Yep, I think I came around to that. They’ll divy out their goodies to people who behave ‘correctly’ (or who are connected)...crumbs to others (or really bugs).
Yes.
“I would agree that climate change would be a crisis if the earth was COOLING. You don’t want another ice age....”
There have been five known ice ages (glacial periods) in the history of Earth, geologically speaking. We are in an inter-glacial period currently and from what I’ve read, the beginnings of the next glacial period is estimated in about 3,200 years if historic geologic markers are accurate.
The Cascadia subduction zone is also (according to Historic indicators) due to snapback anytime. Tree ring analysis, oceanographic core samples etc... all point to a ~300 year cycle. The last one being 1700 on January 29th as recorded by the Japanese in an event called The Orphan Tsunami. The Northwestern Native Americans refer to this event as the battle of the Thunderbird and the Whale.
it isn’t a NATO proxy war. NATO didn’t tell Putin to invade — if you read Putin’s statements and actions since 1999, he see’s the collapse of the Soviet union as “the greatest tragedy of the 21st century” and see’s himself as a new Peter the Great recreating the borders of the Tsardom of Muscowy
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