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A possible reason for the war in Ukraine.

Posted on 01/17/2023 5:50:43 PM PST by Jonty30

When Hitler was running out of resources, because he outspent Germany's future, his action was to attack Poland.

So it makes me wonder if the reason for the war is that West has outspent its future and it wants the wealth of Russia to try and keep going.

Ukraine has an estimated $13 trillion in mineral wealth. Russia probably has hundreds of trillions in mineral stored in the lands that it isn't making use of, for whatever reason it has chosen to not take advantage of.


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To: imabadboy99

My point was that NATO is largely useless; their ‘Staffs’ develop plans that can’t work without the US executing them.

Your comment is spot on - and it will be our treasure that gets poured into Ukraine to prevent disruption of the status quo, not NATO’s.


41 posted on 01/17/2023 7:18:45 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Jonty30

The real reason is the conflict between central banks. BRICs vs Dollar

Russia was supposed to take over Ukraine with ease and thereby put a choke hold on the EU via energy. That would sideline the EU during the future China vs Tiawan conflict.

But things did not turn out the way Russia wanted. It was supposed to be “Shock and Awe” and take over in a month. But Ukraine spoiled their plans and then it devolved to a war of fire and maneuver. That also failed and we are now down to a war of logistics. Now the lines are fairly static.

Both sides are calling for more men. This will now have to go through a war of attrition. Ukraine has fewer men but western technology. Russia has more men but they are poorly equipped and lead.

Ultimately the question is .... can Ukraine kill half a million men before they run out of weapons, ammo and their own men.


42 posted on 01/17/2023 7:28:08 PM PST by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“The Chinese would rather stretch out their legs in Australia. Nobody covets Siberia.”

That is an underestimation. One of the most popular Chinese songs of the last decade was “Lake Baikal” all about how lovely Siberia is.

For many years the CPC regime has been building a cultural idea of Siberia as the Chinese lebensraum.


43 posted on 01/17/2023 7:28:44 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: Jonty30

Nukes make the world MAD though.
There goes the neighborhood.


44 posted on 01/17/2023 7:31:36 PM PST by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: imabadboy99

“The deep state simply will not allow Russia to take the Ukraine “

You may not know this, but Putin was a KGB officer for 20 years. Russia is under Deep State control more than any other.


45 posted on 01/17/2023 7:32:23 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: Jonty30

Putin is not a globalist.
Obama,Hillary, Biden are globalists
One worlders dont get along with Maga, russia first


46 posted on 01/17/2023 7:52:03 PM PST by South Dakota (Patriotism is the new terrorism )
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To: Robert DeLong

No, I think that “climate change” may or may not be happening, we simply dont have enough data to prove it. And the more critical point is whether human activity has anything to do with climate change at all, or if so, exactly how.

The climate cultists are certain it has to do with CO2 increases due to the burning of fossil fuels. This conclusion is vastly premature.

As for conspiracies, this one began in universities by, as usual, academics looking for a problem with which to justify funding. A small “chaotic” seed, that snowballed when it hit an enviro movement that had lost its previous issues that justified its existence, and funding. Then the MSM turned it into a popular trope that fed into the bien pensant urge to seem better, in any way, from the hoi polloi. And then it became a reason for businesses to chase subsidies, regulatory gifts, and for politicians to feed off that (basic Schumpeter). And so on. Its the usual butterfly-wing cascade.

These butterfly wings drive Kerry et al, its not the other way.


47 posted on 01/17/2023 9:01:27 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
The earth's climate has always been and will always be changing!!! Man has nothing to do with.

If you believe in a coorelation between CO2 levels and temperature then we are at a temperature MINIMUM!


48 posted on 01/17/2023 9:06:30 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Jonty30; All

When Hitler was running out of resources, because he outspent Germany’s future, his action was to attack Poland.

What a completely erroneous post. Hitler had in the past envisioned Poland as a sort of junior partner against the USSR and a place to dump all the Jews, He was determined to eliminate the Corridor and attach Danzig to the Reich and to swap territory belonging to Estonia for it. The Poles initially began to negotiate but after the German annexation of Bohemia and Moravia the Poles with British and French support balked. Germany drifted into a war with Poland as the crisis escalated through the summer of 1939. There was certainly no ‘resources’ in Poland that Germany needed to annex.


49 posted on 01/17/2023 9:11:06 PM PST by robowombat ( )
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To: Levy78

NATO has long had war plans. But NATO was more of a theoretical structure by the winter of 2021, as no European nation was prepared to carry out any plans on the necessary scale. And the US was incapable or unwilling to maintain more than a brigade at a time in Europe to “show the flag”.

Trumps complaints vs NATO countries were on-point - their 30-year neglect of their responsibilities had made NATO only marginally relevant.

Its lucky for everyone that Russia was even worse off, as it turned out, and that their intended victims were vastly underestimated.


50 posted on 01/17/2023 9:11:51 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Jonty30

The reason for the war is that Putin invaded Ukraine on February 24th, 2022. His goal was to create a vassal state like Belarus.


51 posted on 01/17/2023 9:14:00 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Levy78

“Putin took the bait “
So Putin “took the bait” in 2008 when he invaded Georgia and in 2014 when he invaded Ukraine?


52 posted on 01/17/2023 9:15:32 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
Russia has no wealth, and has been lighting cigars with whatever it had left. IOW, this is just more stupid Putinista pro-Russian ********.

53 posted on 01/17/2023 9:17:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: central_va

An argument wrt CO2 and climate going back THAT far is that its irrelevant to the state of the current biosphere. The present state of things has had many millions of years to evolve to deal with current conditions. A rapid change to some other state is going to cause vast disruption until everything adjusts.

And that adjustment is going to take longer than all of human history to date, if not more, probably much more. The scale of time is extremely important. Its easy to say that all will shake out, eventually. But that “eventually” is ... when? A million years out?

Personally I am more interested in the last 10,000 years, during the current interglacial. You can make a perfectly good case going no further back.


54 posted on 01/17/2023 9:22:01 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Jonty30

“When Hitler was running out of resources, because he outspent Germany’s future, his action was to attack Poland.”

I would suggest you read your history book.

Read the Mein kampf. Hitler outlined exactly what he was going to do, his goal was to create living room for the germans in the east. Poland was to be depopulated and Germans moved in, ditto for western Russia, for Ukraine and Belarus.

Poland had no resources other than land what Hitler wanted.

Putin outlined his goal way back in 2003 with him calling the disintegration of the USSR as “the greatest tragedy of the 20th century “ and his installation of unity day. His goal is a recreation of the Tsardom of Muscowy circa 1914


55 posted on 01/17/2023 9:24:30 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: buwaya

Horse shit. During the Jurassic Perod the CO2 levels were 5 times higher. The planet was covered in lush thick forests supporting life that was 20 times larger than th average mammal. Try again....


56 posted on 01/17/2023 9:24:35 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: buwaya
"An argument wrt CO2 and climate going back THAT far is that its irrelevant to the state of the current biosphere. The present state of things has had many millions of years to evolve to deal with current conditions. A rapid change to some other state is going to cause vast disruption until everything adjusts."

Kooky sophistry.

57 posted on 01/17/2023 9:25:43 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: PGR88

“If not, it would pull Europe, particularly Germany and everything east, away from NATO/US orbit”

What rot.

Every place east of Germany, up to the borders of Russia, is fiercely pro USA.

Poland, the Baltics, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania are all pro USA and heavily wanted and want to be in NATO.

None of them want to be in any alliance with Russia


58 posted on 01/17/2023 9:27:16 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Levy78

NATO is a defensive alliance not a conspiracy


59 posted on 01/17/2023 9:28:46 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: McGruff
You are selective with your maps.


60 posted on 01/17/2023 9:31:48 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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