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We've Never Found Anything Like The Solar System. Is It a Freak in Space?
Science Alert ^ | 29 December 2022 | By MICHELLE STARR

Posted on 12/28/2022 11:14:08 AM PST by Red Badger

Bold Colour Image depicting the Solar System (NASA)

Since the landmark discovery in 1992 of two planets orbiting a star outside of our Solar System, thousands of new worlds have been added to a rapidly growing list of 'exoplanets' in the Milky Way galaxy.

We've learnt many things from this vast catalogue of alien worlds orbiting alien stars. But one small detail stands out like a sore thumb. We've found nothing else out there like our own Solar System.

This has led some to conclude that our home star and its brood could be outliers in some way – perhaps the only planetary system of its kind.

By extension, this could mean life itself is an outlier; that the conditions that formed Earth and its veneer of self-replicating chemistry are difficult to replicate.

If you're just looking at the numbers, the outlook is grim. By a large margin, the most numerous exoplanets we've identified to date are of a type not known to be conducive to life: giants and subgiants, of the gas and maybe ice variety.

Most exoplanets we've seen so far orbit their stars very closely, practically hugging them; so close that their sizzling temperatures would be much higher than the known habitability range.

Artist's impression of an ultra-hot Jupiter transiting its star. (ESO/M. Kornmesser)

It's possible that as we continue searching, the statistics will balance out and we'll see more places that remind us of our own backyard. But the issue is much more complex than just looking at numbers. Exoplanet science is limited by the capabilities of our technology. More than that, our impression of the true variety of alien worlds risks being limited by our own imagination.

What's really out there in the Milky Way galaxy, and beyond, may be very different from what we actually see.

Expectations, and how to thwart them Exoplanet science has a history of subverting expectations, right from the very beginning.

"If you go back to that world I grew up in when I was a kid, we only knew of one planetary system," planetary scientist Jonti Horner of the University of Southern Queensland tells ScienceAlert.

"And so that was this kind of implicit assumption, and sometimes the explicit assumption, that all planetary systems would be like this. You know, you'd have rocky planets near the star that were quite small, you'd have gas giants a long way from the star that were quite big. And that's how planetary systems would be."

For this reason, it took scientists a while to identify an exoplanet orbiting a main sequence star, like our Sun. Assuming other solar systems were like ours, the tell-tale signs of heavyweight planets tugging on their stars would take years to observe, just as it takes our own gas giants years to complete an orbit.

Based on such lengthy periods of a single measurement, it didn't seem worth the trouble to sift through a relatively short history of observations for many stars to conclusively sift out a fellow main-sequence solar system.

When they finally did look, the exoplanet they found was nothing like what they were expecting: a gas giant half the mass (and twice the size) of Jupiter orbiting so close to its host star, its year equals 4.2 days, and its atmosphere scorches at temperatures of around 1,000 degrees Celsius (1800 degrees Fahrenheit).

Since then, we've learnt these 'Hot Jupiter' type planets aren't oddities at all. If anything, they seem relatively common.

We know now that there's a lot more variety out there in the galaxy than what we see in our home system. However, it's important not to assume that what we can currently detect is all that the Milky Way has to offer. If there's anything out there like our own Solar System, it's very possibly beyond our detection capabilities.

"Things like the Solar System are very hard for us to find, they're a bit beyond us technologically at the minute," Horner says.

"The terrestrial planets would be very unlikely to be picked up from any of the surveys we've done so far. You're very unlikely to be able to find a Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars around a star like the Sun."

How to find a planet

Let's be perfectly clear: the methods we use to detect exoplanets are incredibly clever. There are currently two that are the workhorses of the exoplanet detection toolkit: the transit method, and the radial velocity method.

In both cases, you need a telescope sensitive to very minute changes in the light of a star. The signals each are looking for, however, couldn't be more different.

For the transit method you'll need a telescope that can keep a star fixed in its view for a sustained period of time. That's why instruments such as NASA's space-based Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) is such a powerhouse, capable of locking onto a segment of the sky for over 27 days without being interrupted by Earth's rotation.

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The aim for these kinds of telescopes is to spot the signal of a transit – when an exoplanet passes between us and its host star, like a tiny cloud blotting out a few rays of sunshine. These dips in light are tiny, as you can imagine. And one blip is insufficient to confidently infer the presence of an exoplanet; there are many things that can dim a star's light, many of which are one-off events. Multiple transits, especially ones that exhibit regular periodicity, are the gold standard.

Therefore, larger exoplanets that are on short orbital periods, closer to their stars than Mercury is to the Sun (some much, much closer, on orbits of less than one Earth week), are favored in the data.

The radial velocity method detects the wobble of a star caused by the gravitational pull of the exoplanet as it swings around in its orbit. A planetary system, you see, doesn't really orbit a star, so much as dance in a coordinated shuffle. The star and the planets orbit a mutual center of gravity, known as the barycenter. For the Solar System, that's a point very, very close to the surface of the Sun, or just outside it, primarily due to the influence of Jupiter, which is more than twice the mass of all the rest of the planets combined.

Unlike a transit's blink-and-you-miss-it event, the shift in the star's position is an ongoing change that doesn't require constant monitoring to notice. We can detect the motion of distant stars orbiting their barycenters because that motion changes their light due to something called the Doppler effect.

As the star moves towards us, the waves of light coming in our direction are squished slightly, towards the bluer end of the spectrum; as it moves away, the waves stretch towards the redder end. A regular 'wobble' in the star's light suggests the presence of an orbital companion.

Again, the data tends to favor larger planets that exert a stronger gravitational influence, on shorter, closer orbits to their star.

Aside from these two prominent methods, it's possible on occasion to directly image an exoplanet as it orbits its star. Though an extremely difficult thing to do, it may become more common in the JWST era.

According to astronomer Daniel Bayliss of the University of Warwick in the UK, this approach would uncover an almost opposite class of exoplanet to the short-orbit variety. In order to see an exoplanet without it being swamped by the glare of its parent star, the two bodies need to have a very wide separation. This means the direct imaging approach favors planets on relatively long orbits.

However, larger exoplanets would still be spotted more easily through this method, for obvious reasons.

"Each of the discovery methods has its own biases," Bayliss explains.

Earth with its year-long loop around the Sun sits between the orbital extremes favored by different detection techniques, he adds, so "to find planets with a one year orbit is still very, very difficult."

What's out there?

By far, the most numerous group of exoplanets is a class that isn't even represented in the Solar System. That's the mini-Neptune – gas-enveloped exoplanets that are smaller than Neptune and larger than Earth in size.

Rocky planet surrounded by purple haze and a star in the distance on the left

Illustration of the mini-Neptune TOI 560.01, orbiting its solitary star. (W. M. Keck Observatory/Adam Makarenko)

Most of the confirmed exoplanets are on much shorter orbits than Earth; in fact, more than half have orbits of less than 20 days.

Most of the exoplanets we've found orbit solitary stars, much like our Sun. Fewer than 10 percent are in multi-star systems. Yet most of the stars in the Milky Way are members of a multi-star systems, with estimates as high as 80 percent seen in a partnership orbiting at least one other star.

Think about that for a moment, though. Does that mean that exoplanets are more common around single stars – or that exoplanets are harder to detect around multiple stars? The presence of more than one source of light can distort or obscure the very similar (but much smaller) signals we're trying to detect from exoplanets, but it might also be reasoned that multi-star systems complicate planet formation in some way.

And this brings us back home again, back to our Solar System. As odd as home seems in the context of everything we've found, it might not be uncommon at all.

"I think it is fair enough to say that there's actually some very common types of planets that are missing from our Solar System," says Bayliss.

"Super Earths that look a little bit like Earth but have double the radius, we don't have anything like that. We don't have these mini-Neptunes. So I think it is fair enough to say that there are some very common planets that we don't see in our own Solar System.

"Now, whether that makes our Solar System rare or not, I think I wouldn't go that far. Because there could be a lot of other stars that have a Solar System-type set of planets that we just don't see yet."

An artist's illustration of many planets and stars in the Milky Way. This artist's illustration gives an impression of how common planets are around the stars in the Milky Way. (ESO/M. Kornmesser) On the brink of discovery The first exoplanets were discovered just 30 years ago orbiting a pulsar, a star completely unlike our own. Since then, the technology has improved out of sight. Now that scientists know what to look for, they can devise better and better ways to find them around a greater diversity of stars.

And, as the technology advances, so too will our ability to find smaller and smaller worlds.

This means that exoplanet science could be on the brink of discovering thousands of worlds hidden from our current view. As Horner points out, in astronomy, there are way more small things than big things.

Red dwarf stars are a perfect example. They're the most common type of star in the Milky Way – and they're tiny, up to about half the mass of the Sun. They're so small and dim that we can't see them with the naked eye, yet they account for up to 75 percent of all stars in the galaxy.

Right now, when it comes to statistically understanding exoplanets, we're operating with incomplete information, because there are types of worlds we just can't see.

That is bound to change.

"I just have this nagging feeling that if you come back in 20 years time, you'll look at those statements that mini-Neptunes are the most common kind of planets with about as much skepticism as you'd look back at statements from the early 1990s that said you'd only get rocky planets next to the star," Horner tells ScienceAlert.

"Now, I could well be proved wrong. This is how science works. But my thinking is that when we get to the point that we can discover things that are Earth-sized and smaller, we'll find that there are more things that are Earth-sized and smaller than there are things that are Neptune-sized."

And maybe we'll find that our oddball little planetary system, in all its quirks and wonders, isn't so alone in the cosmos after all.


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To: Gay State Conservative

My last project. It’s called The James Webb Space Telescope

It has produced some great results


101 posted on 12/28/2022 5:34:03 PM PST by Nifster (OI see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: WMarshal

Exactly!


102 posted on 12/28/2022 6:12:29 PM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: cuban leaf; V K Lee

Good, cuban leaf. Your Genesis analogy is thought provoking. A cat has no moral compass. It’s amused when it finds and kills a mouse, mole or baby rabbit. It’s a creature in the wild — the same as Adam and Eve were before before their “fall”.

You can look at the fall positively. We earned our freedom at that moment and our newly gained thought processes brought us both pain and joy.

Sure the 12 year old smacked the car into a tree. But he learned that he is his own master now and is responsible for what he does — both good and bad.


103 posted on 12/29/2022 2:32:37 AM PST by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: Red Badger

I’ve always wondered, if the universe is expanding following the big bang, what is it expanding into? What lies beyond the furthest edge?


104 posted on 12/29/2022 2:53:45 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: fishtank; V K Lee; GOPJ; SunkenCiv; qaz123; conservatism_IS_compassion; Lazamataz; alloysteel; ...
The Drake equation is a proposal dependent on conjecture, verified by speculation, and documented by assumptions.

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Agree, fishtank. In my view, much of the supposed "wisdom" of inter-galactic astronomers is as reasonable as Astrology.  But it still makes for entertaining speculation and fun to argue about.  Look at this thread. More than 100 comments!  FReepers were entertained by this topic.

Pre-Covid, when I needed to get up at o'dark thirty to drive to the airport, I would to listen to the Coast-to-Coast radio show and its enchanting interviews with all kinds of pseudo-scientists and story-tellers -- anybody selling a book on paranormal stuff, aliens, etc.  I'm convinced many of the people calling in to ask questions of the guest were paid actors -- their commentary was so convincing.

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The truth is that knocking down dumb theories and wild conjectures can also be fun.

One of the best lessons in debunking was done by Mark Twain in his humorous -- but highly effective -- essay "Is Shakespeare Dead?".

In the essay, Twain totally destroys the notion that the historical Shakespeare of Stratford actually wrote the plays history says he did.

The essay is lengthy (a good evening read) but teaches lessons in how to intelligently tear bogus theories apart with humor.

Here's an excerpt from Chapter 4. Conjectures.


105 posted on 12/29/2022 3:19:35 AM PST by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: Red Badger

We’re okay with imagining space as being much bigger than it seems at first.

We’re not so familiar with imagining time the same way. We measure it mentally in terms that we can grasp with our experience. It is unimaginably larger than that.

What we see through our instruments is only a speck in time. This could be the reason that we seem to ourselves to be unusual as a planet. It isn’t that similar planets don’t exist; it’s that they don’t appear to us to exist right now.


106 posted on 12/29/2022 3:34:19 AM PST by firebrand (. )
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To: sasportas

The very fact that the Universe and everything in it exists at all is proof that God exists.......................ergo sum


107 posted on 12/29/2022 5:20:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: WMarshal

We are like the story of the blind men and the elephant...............

https://americanliterature.com/author/james-baldwin/short-story/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant


108 posted on 12/29/2022 5:26:04 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Hot Tabasco

A smiling, benevolent God who is fascinated at this soap bubble He has made, and that we call The Universe.............


109 posted on 12/29/2022 5:37:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: firebrand

We are like a newborn child, whose entire universe is itself and what it can see...................


110 posted on 12/29/2022 5:42:25 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: DouglasKC
The longer I'm alive the more I realize that earth is special.

The longer I'm alive the more I realize that humans are a failed species. The planet is very lovely.

111 posted on 12/29/2022 5:53:35 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Boogieman
I doubt God tailored many other solar systems to the same parameters.

Spoken like someone who knows God like a brother, and is equal to Him.

112 posted on 12/29/2022 5:56:30 AM PST by GingisK
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To: sasportas
... post after post by unbelievers in God...

Many Christians are arrogant enough to believe that they are the only ones who interpret the Bible correctly; and, that those other Christians are going to hell.

I am pretty sure that the Bible was never intended to be a Technical Manual Of The Universe, and that the creation story is merely an allegory.

113 posted on 12/29/2022 6:04:00 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

Nobody truly knows the mind of God, and nobody is equal to Him. But God did give us minds capable of reason and a universe full of clues as to his intentions. And if that’s not enough, he sent us quite a few messages as well, which include the fact that this universe is a temporary thing meant to pass away, and since that’s likely to happen long before we could ever visit another star, it seems like a very silly thing for God to do to make a bunch of habitable planets that nothing living will ever set foot on.


114 posted on 12/29/2022 7:40:05 AM PST by Boogieman
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Thanks Red Badger.
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115 posted on 12/29/2022 8:56:17 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The Apollo was Hoaxed crowd is the same crowd as Flat Earth, Rare Earth, and Young Earth.)
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To: poconopundit

Uh, Shakespeare lived, he wrote well-known plays, and anyone who says otherwise is engaging in groundless speculation. Period. Hilarious that you use that as a case against speculation.


116 posted on 12/29/2022 9:01:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The Apollo was Hoaxed crowd is the same crowd as Flat Earth, Rare Earth, and Young Earth.)
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To: Carl Vehse
"Given that your sentence is in the present tense and given the space-time distance to other stars and galaxies, evidence supporting such a claim would seem to be limited to actual visits to Earth by extraterrestrial beings."

Life exists, extant. They either got off their planets and acheived interstellar travel, or they did not and snuffed themselves out.

So the question is, if any carbon-based water-dependant sentient group (who either likely partially or completely merged with silicon-based devices, as the singularity will occur here on Earth long before interstellar travel), achieved interstellar flight, did they come here, or did they ignore us, or are they running the clock?

Or, did it happen in a different galaxy, say SPT0418-47, and the nimrods are content to move from place-to-place within their neighborhood using Direct Fusion Drive or nuclear pulse or light sail at a reasonable speed-of-light, but don't see the purpose in intergalactic travel. When you look hard at Drake and Goldilocks [CHZ], that seems a like a reasonable concern. An abundance of primitive life in almost every Goldilocks zone (panspermia), an ever-dwindling amount of sentient life per the needs of 'rare earth', the moonshot that creates bipedaled carbon-based humanoids; and of course they all end up separated by most of the universe.

117 posted on 12/29/2022 11:13:10 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: GingisK

You said:
“Many Christians are arrogant enough to believe that they are the only ones who interpret the Bible correctly; and, that those other Christians are going to hell.Many Christians are arrogant enough to believe that they are the only ones who interpret the Bible correctly; and, that those other Christians are going to hell.”

I’m sure you know, scientists don’t all agree on how they interpret the data. Likewise, doctors, lawyers, politicians. In religion, likewise, Judaism and Islam, for instance. But you’ll give all these a pass, I suppose, but not Christian theologians?
Why is it, you don’t allow Christian theologians to disagree on how they interpret the data?

You said:
“I am pretty sure that the Bible was never intended to be a Technical Manual Of The Universe, and that the creation story is merely an allegory.”

We agree on the first thing you said, the Bible is not a book about science, or geology, for instance, it is a book of theology. But not on the second, Adam and Eve were as real as Noah was, and Abraham, Moses, etc. See, even you and I can disagree.


118 posted on 12/29/2022 11:19:25 AM PST by sasportas
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To: Red Badger

That image is missing Pluto!


119 posted on 12/29/2022 2:21:54 PM PST by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: Boogieman
...it seems like a very silly thing for God to do to make a bunch of habitable planets that nothing living will ever set foot on...

That is precisely why I am sure there are other civilizations out there.

120 posted on 12/29/2022 4:29:17 PM PST by GingisK
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