Posted on 12/04/2022 10:32:52 AM PST by Montana_Sam
Graham Hancock is featured in a Netflix documentary regarding his theory of an advanced, ancient civilization more than 12,000 years old.
was it “Obama approved”?
I only saw the first episode, he visited an archeological cite in Indonesia. It was a cool place, but there was nothing there that particularly supported the theory he was trying to promote.
A valid point if the geological record’s timeline is accurate.
For the sake of curiosity, query duckduckgo with:
ancient megaliths saw marks?
(filter on images)
There are multiple sites worldwide that seem to show saw cuts in stone which predate our use of diamond-tipped saws.
Do you think there is an innocent explanation for those? If so, what would it be?
I’m not skeptical necessarily on the general idea of widespread megalithic monuments being evidence of a widespread civilization that is unrecognized, or early contact between such civilizations. I’m just specifically skeptical of Hancock’s claims based on my observation of his poor methodology that I’ve shown one example of here.
One interesting phenomenon that I’ve been looking at recently that is tangentially connected to the megalithic “mystery” but isn’t too well known is the phenomenon of “cart ruts”. These are parallel channels worn (or perhaps cut) into the bedrock that appear in many far flung locations that are also associated with megalith builders. The greatest number are found on the isle of Malta, but they are also found on other Mediterranean islands, in Anatolia, the Levant, in Spain, Portugal, North Africa, and even the Azores islands in the mid Atlantic and in China. All associated with locations that have megalithic structures and the best hypothesis seems to be that the were made by either wheeled carts or sledges carrying loads of heavy rock from quarries at these locations. Something perhaps worth looking into if you are interested in these kinds of theories:
https://www.cartruts.de/what-about/
Take a look at:
https://www.soulask.com/i-never-knew-that-russia-has-these-shocking-ancient-megaliths/
That page has a number of interesting photos.
What’s the name of it?
“There are multiple sites worldwide that seem to show saw cuts in stone which predate our use of diamond-tipped saws.
Do you think there is an innocent explanation for those? If so, what would it be?”
It has been established by experiment that even hard stone such as granite can be cut with very simple technology, for example, one experiment used a simple water wheel powering rope cordage(!) for the sawblade to cut hard stone, and water to lubricate the saw. Obviously the rope wouldn’t hold up for very long but rope is easily replaced and the experiment did establish the viability of the method to make straight and deep cuts in stone with a low level of technology.
There is another theory that conflicts with Schoch: that in the days of the Sphinx, the Nile came up to and entered the enclosure where there are remnants of a wharf, as well as what looks like gate hinges for locks.
During the flood, silt was deposited in the enclosure where ceremonies using boats were preformed. The silt swallowed up the enclosure, and it had to be dredged by hauling the silted water up the enclosure, leaving the vertical erosion marks, the horizontal marks were caused by the flooding itself.
None of that dates the Sphinx beyond the ‘traditional’ view. Not that I support that view myself.
Roustau is the old name of the Sphinx monument. I go with the idea that the Sphinx is very old, much older that Schoch proposes, going back to the time when the Sphinx had a jackal’s head for “Anubis who in Roustau, guards the Land of the Dead”, facing East toward, not Leo, but to a very distant time when Cains Major and Sirius rose in the East - a very very long time ago.
If you look at the monument with open eyes, you will see that it does not have the body of a lion, but of a dog. The Egyptians would never carve a dog’s body where a lion’s was meant. Lions sit one way and dogs sit another, and both have different tail positions when at rest.
Short version.
Interesting ideas. The Sphinx’s head does seem to have been modified as it is now clearly too small in proportion to the body and we do not see such errors in proportion in other Egyptian monuments. However, as to attributing an Anubis head to the Sphinx, I am not sure about that. It could have originally had a lion head, or even just the head of a different Pharoah that a successor wanted to replace with his own. We have a great many examples of similar sphinx iconography, which may just be derivative of the “great Sphinx”, but do we have any examples of similarly posed Anubis-head iconography that might support this hypothesis?
I have watched it. I don’t believe everything he claims by any means. However, I do believe, and have thought for years, there is a lot we don’t know about what has gone on on this planet. We base our knowledge on what is left; pyramids, mounds, and other construction. But suppose there were civilizations from which there is nothing left, or their history is buried and hasn’t been and may never be discovered? In other words, the oldest history discovered does not necessarily mean it is really where human history starts. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that an advanced civilization was lost at some point.
Can stone be carbon dated? What evidence does Schoch use? Seriously curious, I am.
But it got his name in the paper and that’s what counted!
Meanwhile Graham just keeps cashing those royalty checks!
There is a band wagon being ridden and the riders are all yelling about what amounts to quality. The old academic lines are being trashed in the face of all kinds of very compelling evidence resulting from some dedicated intense studies of stone workmanship.
There at least two areas of this study and bandwagons.
The first has to do with lots and lots of Egyptian artifactual objects fabricated with extreme precision from stone that is of hardness unworkable by most today. There is solid and vast evidence of tools not known to exist. One such tool is what must have been a circular saw. There are lots and lots of saw tool marks in rather akward places for the traditional scholars. There are a series of very large stone boxes fabricated to extreme square and plumbnuss in locations far underground. There are all kinds of vessels made from very hard stone with a precision today of a computer controlled tool. and on and on
The first published examples date from about 1911 but were tossed out of Academic discourse.
The second band wagon is being ridden by commentators on the studies of megaliths. Outrageously large stone blocks were quaried and then transported for many miles. In Peru, much of the trip was uphill. The construction is then extremely precise with examples in Peru and Japan extremely extremely precise.
In both instances, the band wagon riders are postulating the work and events are prehistoric. That means that the work was accomplished with no record or evidence of the people who accomplished the feats.
I tend to agree that the traditional academic party line is just ignorance. I tend to agree that the work in question predates anything generally known. I have no clue as to who or when but I enjoy the bandwagon videos on Youtube made by some real technical scholars and increasingly videoed by what are secondary reporters.
Bottomline........ we just don’t know
What difference would the geological record’s timeline have to do with the fact that no metallurgy is found prior to the ice age?
Those aren’t sawcuts. They look like the quartzilite string cuts we know they used
Any advanced civilisation would have machines and metallurgy
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You know that for a fact? It an assumption. Until recently there was a lot of evidence that sound could be used to move objects, but most was lost or in the case of China deliberately destroyed during the Great Leap Backwards.
Even to this day many megalithic structures have an affinity for certain harmonics and specific frequencies. Notability in the Great Pyramid and a few other well know monuments.
It is also well known that over time, especially in antiquity, quarried stone, metals were sought after, recycled and repurposed. So metal object - tools etc are rare.
Further, prior to the Younger Dryas, sea levels were on average 400 feet lower. Any prior civilization would have favored the land on the oceans and river mouths, not burred under hundreds of feet of water and silt.
So there could easily have been a prior civilization that used sound to move things, could have built with stone, glass, and copper - which would be long gone or be unrecognizable after 12,000 years.
Remember, Hancock says we are a species with amnesia. And any huge trauma would certainly have meant that any civilizational aspects were lost to the needs of sheer survival.
So we go around making theories that fit our preconceptions, ignoring any thing outlying and viola! Climate Change! When in fact the only real climate change happened 12,800 years ago.
Stone can’t generally be carbon-dated, only organic matter can be carbon dated. Stone can be dated with other radiologic dating methods, but that will generally just tell you when the stone itself was formed, not when it was exposed, quarried or worked as a building material. And personally I think there are some fundamental problems with some of the radiological dating methods as a whole.
Interesting photos, but most look like natural formations of rock
Yes, you’ve stated my point precisely.
I totally reject all the “ancient alien” stuff.
As I also reject all the “new age” religious mumbo-jumbo.
But the massive rock constructions remain.
“Until recently there was a lot of evidence that sound could be used to move objects”
Err.. what?
You will probably like https://cosmictusk.com/
Much info supporting a cosmic impact ending age of large mammals 13K years ago.
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