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November 22nd – Ukraine is about to be annihilated (Douglas MacGregor)
The Saker ^ | November 22, 2022 | Colonel Douglas MacGregor

Posted on 11/23/2022 2:52:07 PM PST by Cathi

Col MacGregor:

The military establishment that Putin and his government built in the last 15 to 20 years was designed preeminently to simply defend Russia. It was not designed for any offensive warfare against any neighbors. And I think that we failed to see that the reduction in the size of the force and the change in its orientation meant something very different from what it meant in Soviet times or even in the Tsars period. Mr. Putin went in to Eastern Ukraine with a set of assumptions that were not valid, but at the time he thought they were. He said we don't want to kill civilians. We don't want to destroy infrastructure. In fact we want to wage a very limited campaign because our principle interest is in eradicating these radical elements in the East, put an end to the hostile force that is being built up by the United States, NATO and Eastern Ukraine and come to some sort of agreement that would allow for the equal representation before the law for the rights of Russians living in Ukraine.

He thought well we're fighting a brother Slavic country and we don't want this to last any longer than it absolutely necessary and I think that he believed he would have a serious negotiating partner in Kiev and in Washington. He was wrong. Everything has now changed. It began changing in the summer. Decisions were made in August about how they would approach the rest of this campaign and now we are looking at a force of almost 700,000 troops surrounding Ukraine; the large probabilities of offenses beginning in the next 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 weeks; whenever the ground freezes completely and the Russians judge their forces to be ready and they will move in and they will finish off this Ukrainian state. Let's not kid ourselves. The regime in Kiev is likely to be annihilated along with its forces. I think what we're going to see is what I described; the total destruction of this rump Ukrainian state.

If you look at strikes, that pattern of strikes that has begun certainly since Gen. Surovikin took over they are very different from what we saw previously. In Russia people were asking in the first months "Why haven't you done damage to the bridges, why haven't you attacked the transportation network, why haven't you attacked the electric grid, the energy system, why haven't you gone after the Ukrainian military installations...on and on and on. Well, those things are now happening. Ukraine can no longer manufacture any rocket fuel, its being destroyed. Ukraine is running out of diesel. Ukraine cannot maintain the cities because the power is gone.

This is going to continue until the Ukrainian people are starving, freezing and hopeless and then the Russian offensive will begin and it will be devastating. But, they are now treating Ukraine as a real enemy. Previously they did not and this is not understood in the West.


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1 posted on 11/23/2022 2:52:07 PM PST by Cathi
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To: Cathi

I think it may break out into wider Europe.
I believe I read somewhere that there were supposed to be three world wars in Europe before the end times. This could be the third real world war.


2 posted on 11/23/2022 2:53:38 PM PST by Jonty30 (You can't spell liberal without the a-hole. )
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To: Cathi

3 posted on 11/23/2022 2:58:19 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Cathi

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/11/23/ap-fires-reporter-for-erroneous-story-on-russian-missile-strike-in-poland-n663279


4 posted on 11/23/2022 2:58:50 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: Timber Rattler

I think Ukraine has been on the ‘brink of annihilation’ close to if not more than 100 times going by how often these posts are made.


5 posted on 11/23/2022 3:01:32 PM PST by jarwulf
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To: Cathi; Timber Rattler

Can’t be true.

Snakehead says Russia is completely out of lawyers, guns and money.


6 posted on 11/23/2022 3:06:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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To: Cathi

“… now we are looking at a force of almost 700,000 troops surrounding Ukraine; the large probabilities of offenses beginning in the next 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 weeks; whenever the ground freezes completely and the Russians judge their forces to be ready and they will move in and they will finish off this Ukrainian state. Let’s not kid ourselves. The regime in Kiev is likely to be annihilated along with its forces. I think what we’re going to see is what I described; the total destruction of this rump Ukrainian state.…”
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There’s been a lot of prognostications such as this… from BOTH SIDES. They usually have been completely wrong or at least premature.

Time will tell. The only thing I know for certain is that the meat grinders will continue to operate and a lot of totally unnecessary deaths and injuries will be suffered.


7 posted on 11/23/2022 3:06:58 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX.)
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To: Cathi

Great video
Worth the 38 minutes


8 posted on 11/23/2022 3:07:44 PM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Jonty30
I believe I read somewhere that there were supposed to be three world wars in Europe before the end times.


9 posted on 11/23/2022 3:08:43 PM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: AAABEST

No. It’s been planned out for about 100 years.

New World Order by Ralph Emmerson. He wrote the book in 1989.
It’s recommended reading.


10 posted on 11/23/2022 3:11:05 PM PST by Jonty30 (You can't spell liberal without the a-hole. )
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To: Cathi

I disregard any source that claims to know what Putin was thinking and his motivations.


11 posted on 11/23/2022 3:11:26 PM PST by jdsteel (PA voters elected a stroke victim and a dead guy. Not a joke.)
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To: Cathi

“But, they are now treating Ukraine as a real enemy. Previously they did not and this is not understood in the West.”

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That is incorrect as the West knows exactly what is going on here, because they orchestrated this whole dubious tactic. The West will not let Russia end this war. This is WWIII and Russia had no real options in the starting of this war and will certainly be controlled in its influence to end it. Russia will be forced to retaliate against their true opponent and even that will not end this war.

The West is just getting started.


12 posted on 11/23/2022 3:11:45 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

“… The West is just getting started.”
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You clearly have not been paying attention, IMHO.


13 posted on 11/23/2022 3:15:50 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX.)
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To: House Atreides
A couple of months ago, MacGregor said there would be a massive Russian counter-attack in October. Then he said it would happen in November, then December. Now, at the end of November, he says "in 8 weeks."

Sure, Doug.

14 posted on 11/23/2022 3:17:14 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Jonty30

I certainly hope you’re wrong, but it’s pretty eerie and worrisome to hear the 30+ year old radio interview in which Fr. Malachi Martin discusses the Fatima secrets and says that “the end” has something to do with Kiev & Ukraine.


15 posted on 11/23/2022 3:18:02 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Cathi

The Ukrainians WANTED to be used as pawns by the filthy, evil Biden regime. They chose poorly.


16 posted on 11/23/2022 3:18:48 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: Cathi

The Saker is a pro-Russian site. Take with 1/2 grain of salt.


17 posted on 11/23/2022 3:21:49 PM PST by Kaiser8408a (z)
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To: jdsteel
I disregard any source that claims to know what Putin was thinking and his motivations.

It is a good point.

However, what Putin wants, and what Putin gets, may be significantly different things.

It has been alleged "The West" whatever that entity maybe, has cautioned Ukraine against using weapons supplied by "The West" outside of Ukrainian territory.

That appears to be true.

Russia appears, by attacking Ukrainian infrastructure, to be undermining that restraint.

It is certainly a dangerous time for all.

These conflicts can escalate far beyond what any side wanted to start with.

World War I is a prime example.

18 posted on 11/23/2022 3:22:04 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Long winters there in the Ukraine. Ground gets very hard by January/February. The muddy roads, aren’t anymore. And also, the power is out to 10 million people.


19 posted on 11/23/2022 3:26:13 PM PST by John S Mosby ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Jonty30

Ralph Epperson
not Emmerson
good reads


20 posted on 11/23/2022 3:28:42 PM PST by SisterK (the final variant is communism)
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