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The leap second’s time is up: world votes to stop pausing clocks
Nature ^ | November 18, 2022 | Elizabeth Gibney

Posted on 11/19/2022 5:02:07 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets

The practice of adding ‘leap seconds’ to official clocks to keep them in sync with Earth’s rotation will be put on hold from 2035, the world’s foremost metrology body has decided.

The decision was made by representatives from governments worldwide at the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM) outside Paris on 18 November. It means that from 2035, or possibly earlier, astronomical time (known as UT1) will be allowed to diverge by more than one second from coordinated universal time (UTC), which is based on the steady tick of atomic clocks. Since 1972, whenever the two time systems have drifted apart by more than 0.9 seconds, a leap second has been added.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: astronomy; leapsecond; physics; science; stringtheory; ticktock; timekeeping; utc
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Does anybody really know what time it is?
Does anybody really care?


21 posted on 11/19/2022 7:17:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
It will be chaos.

I think we will end up regretting this in the long run.

22 posted on 11/19/2022 7:21:13 PM PST by SamAdams76 (4,572,414 active users on Truth Social)
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To: Olog-hai

“because they were averse to leap months.”

I can’t imagine having to wake up an entire month early to get to the office..... However... I would enjoy the extra month off BEFORE I had to get to the office... Gotta love the Hebrews....


23 posted on 11/19/2022 9:33:20 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Organic Panic

Don’t know how they’d react to the 19-year time cycles, which necessitate the leap months.


24 posted on 11/19/2022 9:35:12 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: FarCenter
At least this will cease before the 2038 Epochalypse.

Yup. That's a fun one. I've been aware of it since Y2K was a thing.

25 posted on 11/19/2022 11:29:24 PM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Personally, I have no issue with leap seconds, forwards or backwards. Nothing I support really requires that kind of accuracy. NTP handles them fine. I've seen potential issues with logging of database transaction records and such things, but that is almost always because of sloppy programming on someone's part. The protocols for leap seconds are well known and defined, and the actual leap is something you know about well in advance. They don't just decide on some random Friday night to implement a leap second that evening.

If your programs need to be able to take them into account, then code for it. It doesn't happen very often (see below), but it's not like it should be a surprise to anyone.

Here's the list of past leap seconds. The last one happened in 2017

2272060800      10      # 1 Jan 1972
2287785600      11      # 1 Jul 1972
2303683200      12      # 1 Jan 1973
2335219200      13      # 1 Jan 1974
2366755200      14      # 1 Jan 1975
2398291200      15      # 1 Jan 1976
2429913600      16      # 1 Jan 1977
2461449600      17      # 1 Jan 1978
2492985600      18      # 1 Jan 1979
2524521600      19      # 1 Jan 1980
2571782400      20      # 1 Jul 1981
2603318400      21      # 1 Jul 1982
2634854400      22      # 1 Jul 1983
2698012800      23      # 1 Jul 1985
2776982400      24      # 1 Jan 1988
2840140800      25      # 1 Jan 1990
2871676800      26      # 1 Jan 1991
2918937600      27      # 1 Jul 1992
2950473600      28      # 1 Jul 1993
2982009600      29      # 1 Jul 1994
3029443200      30      # 1 Jan 1996
3076704000      31      # 1 Jul 1997
3124137600      32      # 1 Jan 1999
3345062400      33      # 1 Jan 2006
3439756800      34      # 1 Jan 2009
3550089600      35      # 1 Jul 2012
3644697600      36      # 1 Jul 2015
3692217600      37      # 1 Jan 2017

26 posted on 11/19/2022 11:41:21 PM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; ...
Thanks Lonesome in Massachussets. The ten lords are being expurgated from the song, too. ;^)


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27 posted on 11/20/2022 5:56:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Olog-hai
[T]he powers of weights and measures rests solely with the US Congress and not with any so-called international body.

That does not exclude cooperating with international bodies. In point of fact, the U.S. Naval Observatory effectively determined when leap seconds were required, acting through their catspaw the International Earth Rotational Services. The USNO coordinated with observatories around the world, but ultimately ran the show. Congress, around ten years ago, removed responsibility for U.S. timekeeping from USNO and delegated it to NIST. NIST still cooperates with the International Bureau of Weights and Measures, and disseminates time signals, via WWV and WWV-H, that are legal for the United States. But in fact, most time signal dissemination worldwide these days is via GPS, which is steered to USNO Atomic Clock #2, which along with NIST, and USNO AC #1 are contributors to International Atomic Time, TAI, the basis for UTC, and the time scale to which NIST and USNO clocks are steered.

The deeper irony is that the Royal Greenwich Observatory was closed about 20 years ago, and dissolved as an organization. The British Nation Physics Laboratory, who created the first reliable atomic clock in 1954 (on a shoestring budget while NIST was planning a multimillion dollar program(me)) maintain legal time for Britain using a commercial GPS receiver, which while it is good enough for any practical purpose, means that they are dependent on the USNO for timekeeping. BTW, the NPL and USNO cooperated to calibrate the c(a)esium atom and establish the standard that defines the second that we all count nowadays.

28 posted on 11/20/2022 8:35:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Never realized my clock leaped, did back-flips or sprinted.
It has done its job adequately for a number of years (including the traditional spring forward/fall backward)automatically, with no help whatsoever. Are there now those same bugs in my clock we've found on our phones, browsers and EVs? Assume WTP will be charged an extra monthly fee for this service. Any news on this? There are a few pennies remaining in my pocket but hoped to keep those just in case penny candy might be found again.
29 posted on 11/20/2022 8:55:09 AM PST by V K Lee (Our CONSTITUTION. Written with DIVINE assistance by very wise men. A document Unlike any other.)
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To: Olog-hai

So we should have our clocks and weights and whatever be different than everybody else out of sheer cussedness? Seems perfectly reasonable for Congress to say “we’ll use the international standards”.


30 posted on 11/20/2022 8:59:22 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: V K Lee

This actually reduces (for now) the burden on consumer clocks, and most computer time scales. It’s astronomers and navigators who will have problems. My “goto” telescope uses local civil time, but needs to know my latitude and longitude, and whether or not daylight savings time is in effect. One or two seconds shouldn’t make any difference, but eventually, these small slips between time determined by atomic clocks and time determined by earth’s rotation will add up. I suspect that GPS will add a field to assist astronomers and navigators make the correction. It should not require more than a few bytes.


31 posted on 11/20/2022 9:07:53 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: discostu

‘Round about 1967 the relationship between the inch and the meter changed. In the United States. Prior to this, in the U.S. one meter was exactly 39.37 inches. Afterwards, one inch was exactly 2.54 centimeters, in agreement with the British Commonwealth. A difference of about two parts in a million. A quibble. But the U.S. Coast and Geological Survey had millions of records going back to the 19th Century. They were not going to “update” them. Hence there are two length standards in the U.S., the “survey mile” and the “statute mile”. The former based on a meter equal to 39.37 inches, the latter to an inch equal to 2.54 centimeters.


32 posted on 11/20/2022 9:15:49 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Do the instruments actually count vibrations of Cesium atoms?


33 posted on 11/20/2022 9:42:32 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: discostu

There is that “English System” that the English don’t use and the metric system which many in the United States don’t use.


34 posted on 11/20/2022 9:52:23 AM PST by GingisK
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To: discostu

Didn’t say that. But the Constitution says we don’t allow such “international” bodies to dictate those things. Our continued use of what we call the English system at least shows the independence of the USA in that regard has not died out.

The UN in particular has a charter that is patterned after the 1936 USSR constitution. That’s the last thing I want dictating anything to the USA.


35 posted on 11/20/2022 9:59:57 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

When cooperation turns to subservience, that goes against the Constitution.


36 posted on 11/20/2022 10:00:58 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Irresponsible idiots! The only reason they’re doing this is because they know they won’t be around in 15 million years when it’s snowing in August!


37 posted on 11/20/2022 10:02:35 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Olog-hai

No it says Congress sets the standard. It doesn’t preclude them from deciding international standards are fine. We use way more metric than people like to think. It’s just measurements man, not a hill worth dying on.


38 posted on 11/20/2022 10:06:33 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: GingisK

Actually the English use a lot more English measurements than they let on. Yeah all the “official” stuff is metric, but people still like the other stuff. There was a lot of kerfuffle about that with the EU, that they’re now out of.


39 posted on 11/20/2022 10:09:07 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Organic Panic

After the French Revolution there was a metric calendar of sorts.


40 posted on 11/20/2022 10:10:16 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America.)
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