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Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of hostilities in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin received "peace proposals."
General SVR Telegram (Translated) ^ | 11/11/2022 | General SVR Telegram

Posted on 11/11/2022 8:08:05 AM PST by marcusmaximus

Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of hostilities in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin received "peace proposals."

We have already talked about the fact that Putin initiated behind-the-scenes talks through proxy intermediaries in various formats, with an attempt to reach agreements on freezing hostilities in Ukraine or to find a possibility of concluding a peace agreement, of course, taking into account the interests of the Russian leadership.

The "peace proposal" received yesterday comes from the intermediary country, but the channel that was used for the transfer and the persons participating in the process do not cause doubts about the serious intentions of the party.

Moreover, Putin was given strong recommendations not to dismiss the proposal, but to "cling to" the chance that could be presented to him and to think over his wishes "in detail" without changing the concept of the main points of the proposal.

Without going into details, the "peace proposal" has the following contours:

Russia withdraws troops from the occupied territories and allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to reach the state border.

Crimea is taken out of brackets for seven years.

Russia receives guarantees of Ukraine's non-accession to NATO for seven years.

Crimea is a completely demilitarized zone. (Small Arms Only)

The Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet is leaving Crimea.

The land border of Russia and the Republic of Belarus with Ukraine is a demilitarized zone of 100 km. (From Russian heavy weapons).

Guarantees of mutual non-attack are ready to fix and control six countries.

Transnistria comes under the control of Moldova.

Today and the next few days, Putin will discuss the proposal.

We are hopeful about the possibility of ending the conflict in Ukraine by concluding peace between the parties, so we do not give detailed information, do not identify countries and do not identify actors.


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1 posted on 11/11/2022 8:08:05 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: dennisw; SpeedyInTexas; PIF; BeauBo; Timber Rattler; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Vaden; gleeaikin; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 11/11/2022 8:09:47 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

I don’t think he can afford to agree to this. This is an admission of defeat.


3 posted on 11/11/2022 8:12:33 AM PST by Radio Free Tuscaloosa (God Bless...America!! - Adm. Jeremiah Denton (RIP))
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To: marcusmaximus
If Putin agrees to that, I think the war ends. The West will twist Zelensky's arm enough to accept it, and it pretty much gives Ukraine what it has prior to the invasion.

The problem on the Ukraine side may be the Black Sea fleet giving up Sevastopol as a base.

But I don't think Putin accepts it anyway.

4 posted on 11/11/2022 8:15:17 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: marcusmaximus

let the river be the dividing line and put an end to what started out as a civil war...and it still is...


5 posted on 11/11/2022 8:15:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: marcusmaximus

Because Zelensky/Ukraine would not come to negotiating table, thats why


6 posted on 11/11/2022 8:15:45 AM PST by oil_dude
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
I mean the problem on the Russian side - not sure they have another Black Sea port capable of handling those ships, but I may well be wrong.

But like I said, I don't think Russia accepts it. Would be great if they did though.

7 posted on 11/11/2022 8:16:45 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: marcusmaximus

Hopeful sign. I surely wonder who these intermediaries are ...


8 posted on 11/11/2022 8:17:00 AM PST by gloryblaze
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To: marcusmaximus

He can’t agree to this. If he does it is a capitulation, not a treaty / cease fire.

Why seven years for Crimea or NATO? What happens after that?


9 posted on 11/11/2022 8:18:13 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Radio Free Tuscaloosa

Russia is losing. They may win in the end, but right now they are losing.


10 posted on 11/11/2022 8:18:52 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The answer almost has to be HeT.


11 posted on 11/11/2022 8:19:44 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: marcusmaximus

Nope not a chance, ground freezes, here they come. UK n EU facing a cold hard winter


12 posted on 11/11/2022 8:20:07 AM PST by norsky ( <P><img src=" "width=400"></img> <P> <a href= > </a>)
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The EU was stupid to let so many Russians escape.

Next up for the EU, conquering Donetsk.


13 posted on 11/11/2022 8:21:03 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Odessa


14 posted on 11/11/2022 8:24:05 AM PST by L,TOWM (An upraised middle finger is my virtue signal.)
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To: norsky

Don’t forget, the Ukrainians are basically Russians. General Winter is also their general.


15 posted on 11/11/2022 8:24:17 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: marcusmaximus

This would free up Putin to put his full attention against Russians.


16 posted on 11/11/2022 8:24:23 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Russia only leased bases from Ukraine for its Black Sea fleet after the 1991 break up of the Soviet Union.


17 posted on 11/11/2022 8:25:07 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: marcusmaximus

I think Putin accepts and Donetsk and Luhansk become independent (read Russian), while Kherson and Zaporizhzhia become Ukrainian again, while citizens are given 6 months to move where necessary while the truce becomes final.

Then Ukraine promises not to join NATO and is declared neutral.

Otherwise more missiles fly into more electrical substations.


18 posted on 11/11/2022 8:25:50 AM PST by struggle
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To: marcusmaximus

Those who have seen me on FR will notice that since Russian invaded Ukraine, I’ve been staunchly opposed to Putin’s Neo-Soviet Union, in the face of communist lackeys. But I wonder what the point of this “peace proposal” is. They stopped just short of demanding Russia allow Zelenskyy to play penis piano with Lenin’s corpse.

Let’s face it: after the war crimes of Petro Poroshenko, the seccessionast portions of Luhansk and Donetsk can never be integrated into Ukraine again. And the demand for Crimea is absurd. In 2014, Crimea wanted to be Russia. (although I’m sure they may be feeling more uneasy about it as Putin reverts to Sovietism.) Ukraine pledging to stay out NATO is pointless, since it’s obvious NATO will behave as if Ukraine is part of it. And treating Russia like the Treaty of Versaille treated Germany is in no-one’s interest.

Russia is exposed as a vastly inferior military force, which should be more concerned with keeping China out. The cost to their own military preparedness is irrepairible. Let Russia’s mistakes be her own punishment.


19 posted on 11/11/2022 8:26:52 AM PST by dangus
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

There is talk that this framework has been agreed upon by both Ukraine and Russia.

The U.S. has been talking a lot with Patrushev whose son is likely to replace Putin. The world is looking past Putin.

Zelensky was told last week that the U.S. will not provide military and financial support to re-take Crimea.

On Monday, Zelensky seemed to soften his demands on Crimea and Donbas so it appears that pre-invasion Feb 24 borders will be acceptable.


20 posted on 11/11/2022 8:27:14 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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