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To: marcusmaximus

Those who have seen me on FR will notice that since Russian invaded Ukraine, I’ve been staunchly opposed to Putin’s Neo-Soviet Union, in the face of communist lackeys. But I wonder what the point of this “peace proposal” is. They stopped just short of demanding Russia allow Zelenskyy to play penis piano with Lenin’s corpse.

Let’s face it: after the war crimes of Petro Poroshenko, the seccessionast portions of Luhansk and Donetsk can never be integrated into Ukraine again. And the demand for Crimea is absurd. In 2014, Crimea wanted to be Russia. (although I’m sure they may be feeling more uneasy about it as Putin reverts to Sovietism.) Ukraine pledging to stay out NATO is pointless, since it’s obvious NATO will behave as if Ukraine is part of it. And treating Russia like the Treaty of Versaille treated Germany is in no-one’s interest.

Russia is exposed as a vastly inferior military force, which should be more concerned with keeping China out. The cost to their own military preparedness is irrepairible. Let Russia’s mistakes be her own punishment.


19 posted on 11/11/2022 8:26:52 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
It may be that the Russians own propaganda help them portray a settlement like this as reasonable. After all, they claim that they were being threatened by Ukraine and NATO, and we're simply defending the Soviet Un...Russia. So the promise of at least 7 years before Ukraine can join NATO, plus a promise of demilitarization of the border may let Russia declare that they achieved their war aims. They also will likely claim success in "deNazification" of Ukraine. It's all bogus, but at least they could claim it as a face-saving gesture.

The Donbass will still be a problem, but perhaps a division of it could be agreed to.

40 posted on 11/11/2022 8:46:18 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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