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What would be the repercussions and the future for NATO if it is proved Biden administration sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline?

Posted on 10/06/2022 10:54:40 AM PDT by MNDude

Everyone knows about the destruction of the NORD streamline. If it is proved that Russia destroyed it, causing harm to Germany, then a joint NATO action against Russia is likely to be expected.

However, what if the people of Germany go through the most difficult winter in recent years. Endless stories of German people burning furniture to stay warm. Then, indisputable evidence that the Biden administration was responsible is revealed. What then?

Would that be the end of NATO? Would USA just get a scolding from European leaders? Would USA be considered the attacker the treated was intended to defend from?

My guess is the European NATO leaders are too addicted the the US dollar gravy train that NATO gives them, and nothing much would come of it.

Your thoughts?


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To: qwerty1234

As I saw MacFarland explain it, the pipeline was to be closed and offered a perfect chance for Putin to blame the US. And we see his propaganda team all over blaming the US. She made good points.
But I don’t think Biden has the nuts to do it.
Trump would and own up to it!


41 posted on 10/06/2022 11:30:11 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: qwerty1234

As I saw MacFarland explain it, the pipeline was to be closed and offered a perfect chance for Putin to blame the US. And we see his propaganda team all over blaming the US. She made good points.
But I don’t think Biden has the nuts to do it.
Trump would and own up to it!


42 posted on 10/06/2022 11:30:50 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: MNDude

This is the kind of “national security” thing that gets buried for 50+ years.

See “Ultra”.


43 posted on 10/06/2022 11:31:51 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: cranked

One scenario suspects that the U.S. reconsidered their threat to eliminate Nordstream as Biden and Nuland professed.

To do so puts any and all European countries in dire straits this winter, alienating any allies remaining there, and further damages a clean energy religion and simultaneously reignites fossil fuel production-—the latter perhaps a greater dread than saving peoples lives.


44 posted on 10/06/2022 11:35:29 AM PDT by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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To: blueunicorn6

The foreign policy of The United States is not carried out to benefits the people of The United States.

It is carried out to benefit gangsters.

This makes it impossible to logically examine only nations to see which nation would have benefited from this sabotage.

We must look at which gangster mobs OR nations may have benefited from this sabotage.


45 posted on 10/06/2022 11:37:40 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: rrrod

If I was a bettin’ man, I’d put money on EU leaders having it sabotaged. They’re the ones trying to control their masses with the warmageddon cult policies. Russia cutting off natural gas was making the Euro masses restless and calling for leadership changes. Sabotaging the pipeline allows the EU leaders to say, “See. Even if all foreign policy is smooth the fossil fuel infrastructure can’t supply our needs.”


46 posted on 10/06/2022 11:40:01 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MNDude

I don’t think it will ever be proven. Both sides will offer evidence of “proof” that the other side did it. This is a propaganda war on all sides.


47 posted on 10/06/2022 11:43:53 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: rrrod

hadn’t NS2 just been opened? that’s the one that bypasses UKR so cutting them out of transit fees. why would the russians blow that one up?


48 posted on 10/06/2022 11:43:56 AM PDT by Jeff Vader ( )
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To: MNDude
"What would be the repercussions and the future..."

NADA, nothing, never, forget about it...

49 posted on 10/06/2022 11:44:56 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: Tell It Right

Another good point....wish the truth would come out but doubt it will.


50 posted on 10/06/2022 11:47:28 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: MNDude

One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned is the possibility that the “Bombs” could have been in place for 6 months or more. WHY does everyone think that this sabotage was the result of a last minute recent development? All ship traffic back to Jan 2022 is technically suspect.


51 posted on 10/06/2022 11:50:42 AM PDT by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: MNDude
First off, NATO already knows that it was US.   The Scandinavian countries on the Baltic Sea were the first to blow the whistle as they watched it happen.

Second, it will play right into the hands of those Global Elites who want to crush American Hegemony and destroy the Dollar as the world's trading currency, to enable them to create their One World Government.

Biden is in office just to do that, and a lividly furious EU in the freezing winter will drive a wedge right through NATO, the EU and American Foreign Relations with the rest of the world.

Here is the Motive

First, the US became the number one exporter of liquified natural gas to Europe once Russia cut off the flow. German dependence on US LNG is a carrot to keep German in the sanction alliance. With winter approaching and German unrest on the rise, the State Department would have been concerned the Germans would go wobbly, reduce sanctions, cut off arms to Ukraine, and beg Putin for energy. The loss of the Nord Stream pipelines eliminates that path to renewed gas imports to Germany.

Second, the Biden family has long been tangled up in natural gas and Ukraine. Hunter Biden was on the board of Ukraine’s largest natural gas company—a position that provided Ukrainian oligarchs with access to Joe Biden. Hunter, who has no experience in energy, made millions from the deal, and Ukraine got a bought-and-paid-for President of the United States.

Third, the Democrat Biden needs to stanch the popularity bleeding that threatens to kill Democrat control of Congress come November.

So, only the United States has a compelling reason to destroy Europe’s energy lifeline from Russia. Only the United States has both the means and the motive.

And here is the Means

Operation BALTOPS

Seapower magazine—the official magazine of the Navy League—reported in June on a US exercise in the Baltic Sea, directly over the spots where two massive, undersea explosions took out the Nord Stream pipeline.

An additional critical objective was to continue to increase the communication range and data transfer capability to give the operators more flexibility in mine hunting operations. Advancements in communication technology, demonstrated this year, have shown a significant improvement in operating ranges over currently used systems. This provides additional standoff flexibility to the U.S. Navy in conducting safe mine hunting operations.

When the US Navy finds mines that it is hunting for, what do they do?   They blow them up,   just like two undersea pipelines that they found in the Baltic Sea.

52 posted on 10/06/2022 11:50:59 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: Boogieman

Kind of like a bio-weapon release


53 posted on 10/06/2022 11:56:37 AM PDT by Cold Heart ("Save The Planet", Phase Out EV's)
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To: FlyingEagle
Frankly, the German government should not be excluded from the line up. This winter, throngs of freezing Germans were going to hold them accountable for years of terrible energy policy and decision-making.

Now they can more easily deflect responsibility and point the finger at Bad Vlad, making him the Emmanuel Goldstein scapegoat for their nation's ills.

54 posted on 10/06/2022 11:57:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Cold Heart

Yep, pretty much the same situation.


55 posted on 10/06/2022 12:04:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MNDude

It is a “tremendous opportunity”


56 posted on 10/06/2022 12:19:32 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: MNDude

How are they going to ‘prove’ it? Fragments?

Russian military explosives are prolific: Any player can acquire them. Many US explosives are as well.

‘Prove?’ Yeah, right. /s

More like ‘feed a predetermined narrative’...


57 posted on 10/06/2022 12:53:51 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: MNDude

Well considering that pedojoe already said that said pipeline was to be destroyed and the witch Newland said same and blinkie said it was a good thing to happen.. just who do you think had it done ummm


58 posted on 10/06/2022 12:54:43 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!you)
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To: rrrod

But why did K.T. never mention Biden’s boastful speech on destroying the pipeline? Is she conveniently ignoring it? I don’t think the world is ignoring it or even the NATO partners.


59 posted on 10/06/2022 1:09:00 PM PDT by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: blueunicorn6

You’re describing the M.O of a 3rd world nation.


60 posted on 10/06/2022 1:14:54 PM PDT by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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