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A Man Drowned. Six Weeks Later, He Was Still Testing Positive For COVID
https://www.iflscience.com ^ | FEBRUARY 17, 2022 | Katy Spalding

Posted on 02/17/2022 10:25:55 AM PST by Red Badger

Last September, in the Italian seaside province of Chieti, a 41-year-old Ukrainian man and his friend went for a dip in the sea. Sixteen hours later, he was dead from drowning. A sad tale, but no medical mystery. Except for the fact that, for nearly six full weeks after his death, his body tested positive no fewer than 28 times for COVID-19 – a discovery that the researchers involved say is of “fundamental importance for pathologists.”

Even weirder is the fact that, before death, the man had been “completely asymptomatic,” the team wrote in a study now published in the BMC Journal of Medical Case Reports, and is likely to have had a pretty low viral load when he died.

This “reflect[s] the importance of postmortem swabs in all autopsy cases, and not only in potential [COVID-19]-related death,” the report notes – and shows that pathologists should test for the presence of COVID “a long time after the moment of death, even if a low initial viral load was assessed.”

Although his death was confirmed to be from drowning, Italian guidelines required that a COVID test be performed regardless. Once he had been tested and an autopsy had been carried out, the body was moved to the local morgue, where it was stored in a sealed and disinfected waterproof bag at a cool 4 °C (39 °F).

So far, so standard – but a delay in receiving burial authorizations meant the body would stay there a little longer than expected. Forty one days, to be exact.

“Twenty-eight nasopharyngeal swabs were performed on the corpse” during that time, the case report explains, and “always … by the same team, adequately prepared and with standardized procedures as per international guidelines and established protocols.” That’s the same type of COVID test you’re used to having: a long swab straight up the nose – although hopefully with less sneezing in this case.

Every single test came back positive – the team even retested each of them with a reagent kit from another supplier, just to be sure.

And not only were the COVID viral particles detectable for nearly six weeks after death, but by the end of the testing period they were the only detectable particles. See, when researchers test for COVID, they can also run a control test at the same time to verify that test results really are coming from the samples they want. They do this by testing for human cellular RNA which get swept up with the viral particles when a swab is taken – if no human RNA is found, then it probably didn’t come out of a human nose.

But by the time 41 days had passed, these tests weren’t picking up human RNA anymore. The COVID tests were still coming up positive, but the human cells had become undetectable.

This is more than just a mildly morbid curiosity: the case report has real implications for how corpses are treated in the age of COVID. As the study authors point out, while we have a lot of good research about the behavior of the virus in living bodies and in the environment, “there is a lack of data on virus persistency on dead bodies and on the risk of contagion from cadavers.” That’s a problem, as “execution of … autopsies puts various categories of workers (pathologists, technicians, and so on) in contact with a possible source of biological risk, with implications not only from a health point of view but also from a medicolegal one.”

Although most COVID transmission occurs due to large droplet respiration, that’s not the only possible vector: “transmission via contact with contaminated body excretions, air, and fecal–oral route has also been suggested,” the report notes. While no scientifically-verified data yet has surfaced of the living being infected by the dead, at least one study has shown that corpses can stay infectious for up to 35 hours after death – important information for those tasked with the care and preparation of bodies before burial or cremation.

While the authors note that their study was by its nature limited – ethics committees tend to look unfavorably on efforts to proactively recruit people for post-mortem studies – they hope that their findings will spur future research. And as for the Ukrainian man – his burial authorization came through in the end, which, along with what the authors describe as “the putrefactive state of the body,” finally brought an end to the study.


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To: Red Badger
While no scientifically-verified data yet has surfaced of the living being infected by the dead, at least one study has shown that corpses can stay infectious for up to [...]

It has been established that persons who have recently died have been returning to life and committing acts of murder. A widespread investigation of funeral homes, morgues, and hospitals has concluded that the unburied dead have been returning to life and seeking human victims. It's hard for us here to be reporting this to you, but it does seem to be a fact.

Regards,

21 posted on 02/17/2022 11:47:01 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Red Badger

I bet if they tested a ham sandwich for 28 days it would keep coming back positive too.


22 posted on 02/17/2022 11:56:48 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly. When I went to a doctor’s office to get a test (mandated after traveling), there was a big sign on the back of the door from the CDC saying in very large letters than a positive test in the absence of symptoms was NOT enough to justify a positive diagnosis.


23 posted on 02/17/2022 11:57:58 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Islander7

It also shuts down the cells that viruses require as hosts in order to survive...


24 posted on 02/17/2022 11:59:41 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Or Gas station sushi.......................


25 posted on 02/17/2022 12:02:12 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger
All this does is argue for cremation to dispose of infected bodies. If the pathogen remains viable in a dead body, there is a risk of the pathogen returning via leaching of soil in a cemetery.
26 posted on 02/17/2022 12:05:00 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Red Badger

I hope he feels better soon.


27 posted on 02/17/2022 12:07:26 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Myrddin

“there is a risk of the pathogen returning via leaching of soil in a cemetery”

Umm, we are talking about a virus that requires a host to survive, not the Terminator.


28 posted on 02/17/2022 12:10:36 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Red Badger

Golly could it possibly be the tests are useless?


29 posted on 02/17/2022 12:12:53 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Boogieman
Umm, we are talking about a virus that requires a host to survive, not the Terminator.

Viruses don't "survive". If the virion isn't damaged, it must be able to 1) infect a cell 2) successfully replicate in the cell. Clearly, the bodies involved here are capable of providing a protected environment for virions to remain undamaged. Samples kept in a lab are often placed into cryogenic storage to prevent degradation. There is no host there.

30 posted on 02/17/2022 3:40:59 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Red Badger

Testing a dead body 28 times? This whole thing is a scam.


31 posted on 02/17/2022 3:44:11 PM PST by Trillian
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To: Myrddin

“Clearly, the bodies involved here are capable of providing a protected environment for virions to remain undamaged.”

That’s not very good logic. You ignore the very real possibility that those 28 positive tests on a corpse for 6 weeks after death were just false positives, which is the more likely possibility. If viruses were able to survive in dead bodies, we probably would have noticed this fact at some point in the 130 years since their discovery.


32 posted on 02/17/2022 4:30:40 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Trillian

Gotta keep those Covid numbers up!....................


33 posted on 02/18/2022 5:24:42 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

I have an ancestor who drowned in a shipwreck in 1748. I don’t know if his body was recovered for burial, but in any case I doubt his remains could be located now. But if they could be tested no doubt he would show positive for COVID-19.


34 posted on 02/18/2022 9:47:19 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Red Badger

28 positives means 28 new cases!


35 posted on 02/18/2022 11:46:05 AM PST by Trillian
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To: Trillian

And they all died!.......................


36 posted on 02/18/2022 11:47:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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