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Father Christmas Vs Santa Claus
Heritage Daily ^ | December 2021 | editors

Posted on 12/05/2021 11:08:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv

The concept of Santa and Sinterklaas arguably stems from Saint Nicholas, an early Christian bishop of Greek descent who had many miracles attributed to his intercession, but is also known for his generous practice of gift-giving.

Father Christmas, however, is a completely different entity who was a Yule-tide visitor and not a gift-giver. Some sources suggest that he was originally a pagan figure who represented the coming of spring, or the Saxon “Father Time”, or even the Norse God Odin when he takes on the character of Jul, riding his eight-legged horse Sleipnir.

He was first recorded in 15th century England in various personifications and was associated with merrymaking, drinking and singing. “Sir Christëmas” – A contemporary carol attributed to Richard Smart, a Rector from Devon gives mention of Father Christmas where “Sir Christëmas” announced the news of the birth of Christ, encouraging listeners to drink in celebration.

By the 16th century, Father Christmas appeared in a more distinct form normally portrayed wearing green or scarlet robes lined with fur, as part of an old English midwinter festival. He typified the spirit of celebrating Christmas, embracing joy, revelry, good food and wine on the 25th of December to coincide with Christmas Day...

As Victorian Christmas celebrations began to focus on family festivals around children, Father Christmas started to be associated with the practice of giving gifts. Various published works from America about Santa Claus had started to become popular in England, with residual distinctions between both figures fading away into the 20th century.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: christmas; fatherchristmas; godsgravesglyphs; santaclaus
'Ghost of Christmas Present' in Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol 1843 -
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Ghost of Christmas Present' in Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol 1843 - Public Domain

1 posted on 12/05/2021 11:08:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Merry Christmas, in case I don't see ya.

2 posted on 12/05/2021 11:09:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Now what about Hanukkah Harry?


3 posted on 12/05/2021 11:13:06 AM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The four stages of Santa Claus:
1) You believe in Santa Claus
2) You don’t believe in Santa Clause
3) You are Santa Clause
4) You look like Santa Clause


4 posted on 12/05/2021 11:23:33 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Kinks - Father Christmas
5 posted on 12/05/2021 11:27:00 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: SunkenCiv
The concept of Santa and Sinterklaas arguably stems from Saint Nicholas, an early Christian bishop of Greek descent who had many miracles attributed to his intercession, but is also known for his generous practice of gift-giving.

He’s also known as the bishop that punched out the heretic Arius at the Council of Nicaea.


6 posted on 12/05/2021 11:28:48 AM PST by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: libertylover
#4: "The four stages of Santa Claus"

LOL. That's about right!

7 posted on 12/05/2021 11:30:51 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Berosus
#3: "Now what about Hanukkah Harry?"

Great suits. And always with two pairs of pants.

8 posted on 12/05/2021 11:33:22 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Germanic countries also have a strange tradition regarding the Krampus, which is a demonic figure that would punish naughty children.

Krampus LARPers sometimes get out of control.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/08/austria-struggles-with-marauding-krampus-day-demons-gone-rogue


9 posted on 12/05/2021 11:35:08 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: SunkenCiv

Good one, SC!

I’m a fan of all of it, so bring on the presents!

‘Face

;o]


10 posted on 12/05/2021 11:40:16 AM PST by Monkey Face ( ~~ God is determined to make of us more than we thought we could be. ~~ Jeffery R Holland ~~)
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To: SunkenCiv
What about Grandpa Frost?

I was in Greece once on New Year's Eve and lo and behold, St. Basil showed up and started giving out presents to kids. He was the spitting image of Santa Claus.

11 posted on 12/05/2021 1:27:10 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Berosus

Or Kwanzaa Kwame?


12 posted on 12/05/2021 2:42:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: libertylover

It’s no Riddle of the Sphinx, but that sums it up nicely!


13 posted on 12/05/2021 2:43:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

He always seemed a little *cold* for my taste. /rimshot


14 posted on 12/05/2021 2:44:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: libertylover
That is so true!

Also, if anybody ever asks you to put on a Santa Claus suit (for the kids), consider that as a hint to go on a diet ASAP.

15 posted on 12/05/2021 2:45:29 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 80 days away from outliving John Hughes)
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To: Robert DeLong

Ooh, good addition to the Musical Interlude for this month...


16 posted on 12/05/2021 2:47:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: libertylover
4) You look like Santa Clause

I was walking down the aisle in our local Publix and this family was coming the opposite way.

The young father had a full jet black beard with long black hair down his back, the wife also had long black hair pushing a tiny little boy sitting up in the shopping cart.   The Mother-in-law was with them, all the picture of third world immigrants.   The little boy was staring at me with a amazed and perplexed look on total awe.

I trim my beard every once in a while, when my wife complains or when I get tired of chewing on my moustache.   This day my beard was a little full and had that mountain man look.

When I got close to them, I said that I could tell he had never seen a man with a white beard before.   They looked surprised for a moment, but then noticed I was talking about the boy, then they all agreed at once that he probably had not.   We got a little chuckle out of the way he was acting, but I didn't think until later about the Santa Claus aspect of it.

17 posted on 12/05/2021 3:50:32 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: nutmeg

Bkmk


18 posted on 12/05/2021 3:51:25 PM PST by nutmeg (NEVER trust democRATs with national security)
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To: libertylover; Daffynition
That's funny and so true, thanks!

I love the songs about Santa who's really Dad but the kid doesn't know, he's just wondering how come Santa is way too cozy with Mom.

Santa Looked a Lot Like Daddy (Or Daddy Looked a Lot Like Him)

LOL. God bless America.

19 posted on 12/05/2021 4:04:57 PM PST by Ezekiel ("Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars.)
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