Posted on 12/01/2021 6:44:59 AM PST by ChessExpert
In 1932 and 1933, 7 Million (estimated) Ukrainians were massacred by genocidal famine ordered by the Bolshevik government. Many were Christians. Students do not learn about the Holodomor in middle school, high school, or even college. There aren’t dozens of major Hollywood films depicting the horrific events that took place.
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Secondly, why do we hear so little about the Holomodor? The article shows that three movies have been made. It also provides a scrolling list of Holocaust movies, a very long list. I see no valid reason for this disparity of emphasis. To me a million murders is a million murders. There is no good reason to favor some lives over others.
There was a movie called Bitter Harvest. It is somewhere on web or pay per view.
I highly recommend.
The most dead bodies in a movie ever.
But with a happy end of sorts.
Trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKLBp3fZ5zA
More accurately, by Georgian Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin.
For two decades the New York Times, Walter Duranty and American Liberal Socialists heaped praise and ran cover for Stalin, Marxism and their Crimes Against Humanity, winning the Pulitzer "Prize" for doing so.
It is still on display in the lobby of the Times building, NYC.
Ping.
Because of American Liberal Socialist Progressive Marxists, and the New York Times style Western Media Bias in favor of Stalinist Socialism.
Guilt, perhaps, and it’s just too much to take in? I think that’s human.
Or worse, it’s kinda like making sausage.
Their inner karen/marx “knows” deep down that this is the final solution for that frustrating problem of too many inconvenient people, but they don’t want to look at it or watch the sausage being made, so to speak.
I think that’s human evil and I wonder which are we and they now in these times and in this country: Cains or Abels?
Stalin took the grain and sold it.
Built some nice buildings on those graves.
Socialism/communism…..always leads to dictatorships…..always.
As you and others note, many Americans had, and have, a fondness for communism. Viewed in this light, it should come as no surprise that there have been so few films about the Holomodor.
Hitler and Stalin were allies and coordinated their attack on Poland. Then Hitler betrayed Stalin and attacked the Russian communist empire. It is easy to see that why communists and their supporters would hate Hitler. Pro-communism lends support to the making of anti-Nazi films.
To be clear, I am opposed to both the German National Socialism (Nazism) and international socialism (communism). Both ideologies are mistaken and harmful. Both led to the murder of tens of million innocent people in the 1930s alone.
What I am trying to address is why one genocide gets so much attention and another so little. I think the main reason is the fondness so many have for communism.
Keep in your mind that Socialists ARE really stupid.
Their destruction of Ukraine's Kulaks easily proves that.
Ukraine farmers were the most productive of Eastern Europe, and the political need to collectivize the farmers was exactly the opposite of the flexibility that Kulaks had learned to use to maximize their production.
So Stalin confiscated their harvests, didn't leave enough to survive the winter and all Russians starved the next year while Ukrainian farms sat empty and idle.
Then Socialists worldwide joined in saying: Rinse, Repeat.
These people NEVER learn.
Yes I saw Bitter Harvest and Mr. Jones, which is also very good.
Holocaust movies have the advantage. First of all, there are so many - see the scrolling list at the post. Secondly, no one movie has the burden of telling the entire story. Every Holocaust movie assumes you are already familiar with the story.
The three Holodomor movies that have been made can reasonably assume that the story is new to the average viewer. If one has to tell the whole story in one movie, the magnitude of the murders can be mind-numbing.
“The state of Israel refuses to recognize the Holodomor as a genocide.”
To clear the air a little, it seems that the Ukraine and Israel have some sort of economic/strategic partnership. Consequently, there are positive things today in Ukrainian/Israeli connections.
Nonetheless I find it truly wrongheaded that Israel and some prominent US Jews downplay the Holodomor. Before I heard the term “Holodomor,” I called it the Ukrainian holocaust. A government murders 6 million people, what else would you call it?
Following the links in the article one reads reasons why the Holodomor was supposedly not genocide. I learned a long time ago that there is a big difference between a reason, and a GOOD reason. All the arguments provided are lame, hairsplitting for reasons that are lame in their own right.
The article quotes Putin. Putin is one of the last persons I would like to quote. Nevertheless, Putin says the first Soviet Government was 80% to 85% Jewish. Others have also claimed a large Jewish role in the early days of communism.
As so often, the first question is “Is this true?” and the second is “What, if anything, are we to make of this?”
I don't think the problem is one group or another group of people. The problem is wrong ideas. Socialism is a wrong idea.
Certainly guilt is not inheritable. Today's Germans are not guilty of the Holocaust. Today's Jews are not responsible for Russian communism and its many holocausts. Today's Democrats are not responsible for slavery, segregation, or the trail of tears.
Woof, dog brother…
My poor people… Just imagine if they had shot every bolshevik through the face when they came to take their food.
Like we can do here… just sayin’, allkindasortahypotheticallike…
The only thing they DO learn is Rule 7.62.
They understand that very well… and they hate it.
Firstly, we aren't dealing with Jews. We are dealing with excommunicated apostates to Judaism to a cult dedicated to the cultural genocide of Jews. These people were Jewish and working for Jewish interests the same way Stalin was a monk. They weren't. As a religion, Judaism was a crime in the Soviet Union. Stalin created a puppet Russian Orthodox Church, but the practice of Judaism was a crime until the late 1980s. Nazis claimed to be German nationalists and working for German nationalism. Communists were and are enemies of Jews. The comparison doesn't work.
That was an interesting and good post, but still I must differ on a few points. :)
Government mass murder of innocent civilians is to be condemned. It can not be excused by motives. I don’t care about claimed motives. Genocide, politicide, etc. seems like hairsplitting, and an elevation of the unimportant over the important.
“We are dealing with excommunicated apostates to Judaism to a cult dedicated to the cultural genocide of Jews.”
My understanding is that in the U.S. and world today there is a distinction between observant and ethnic Jews. Jews seem to smooth out that distinction, perhaps for family harmony. However, I consider it very important.
I am not aware of excommunication in Judaism. Are ethnic Jews dedicated to the cultural genocide of Jews? You were talking about the early 20th century in Russia. Were distinctions between Jews sharper then/there?
“Keep in your mind that Socialists ARE really stupid.”
True. Their stupidity has many sources. One is that they NEVER listen to conservatives. Another is that they believe their indoctrination over all else. (Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?).
All that having been said, they take bold action that we often fail to anticipate, can hardly believe and leave us speechless. Their action may be based in part on immense stupidity, or on a lack of ethical constraints.
You gave one example with the harvesting of ALL Ukrainian grains. Closer to home, what thinking led to requiring nursing homes to accept Covid patients? Why comit seniorcide? Reduce state budgets? Change the composition of the electorate?
At a deeper level, does a lack of ethical constraints make one stupid? Perhaps ethical behavior is rational behavior, all things considered.
Correction:
“harvesting of ALL Ukrainian grains”
should have been
“theft of ALL Ukrainian grains”
Kind of like suicide bombers ...
what thinking led to requiring nursing homes to accept Covid patients? Why commit seniorcide? Reduce state budgets? Change the composition of the electorate?
Thinking I am god and I can.
At a deeper level, does a lack of ethical constraints make one stupid?
Don't know, and I don't know how to set up an ethical experiment to validate that theory.
Perhaps ethical behavior is rational behavior, all things considered.
Not likely, rational behavior is promoted by balanced situations and impeded by stressful situations. Ethical situations rarely have all things considered, and many times Situational Ethics are what really occurs.
Bottom line, Civilization is built by accumulation of reward for personal productivity and construction of means to protect that accumulation.
You will note that Marxism/Communism always fails, no matter where or how it is tried, and it always brings down Civilization. There is a reason for this, Marxism rewards personal vandalism and the one thing that can easily be vandalized is Civilization. (Thus the Kulaks were starved rather than left enough to survive the winter and work their farms again)
Would a rational populace let Marxists vandalize their civilization?
However that is exactly what is occurring in the United States and has been completed in several other nations.
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