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Anti-Vaxx vs. Pro-Vaxx: A Friendly Debate Between Dr. Zev Zelenko and Dr. Jonathan Sarfati Moderated by Jenna Ellis at Just The Truth, America's Voice
REAL AMERICA's VOICE ^ | 08/02/2021

Posted on 08/17/2021 8:20:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

This is a 5 part friendly debate between Dr. Vladimir "Zev" Zelenko, of Hydroxycholorquine fame and Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, of Creation Ministries International, Moderated by Trump's Election Lawyer, Jenna Ellis regarding the pros and cons of taking the Covid vaccines.

Dr. Zelenko takes the anti-vaccination stance while Dr. Sarfati takes the pro-vaccination stance.

THE DEBATERS

ON THE COVID ANTI-VACCINE SIDE


Dr. Zev Zelenko graduated summa cum laude with a B.A. degree with high honors in Chemistry from Hofstra University. After receiving an academic scholarship to attend S.U.N.Y. at Buffalo School of Medicine, he earned his M.D. degree in May 2000.

Dr. Zelenko completed his family medicine residency at South Nassau Communities Hospital in Oceanside, N.Y. in May 2004. Since then, Dr. Zelenko has practiced family medicine in New York’s Hudson Valley. He has been described by his patients as a family member to thousands of families, and is a medical adviser to the volunteer ambulance corps in Kiryas Joel, New York.

In March 2020, Dr. Zelenko’s team was one of the first in the country to successfully treat thousands of Covid-19 patients in the prehospital setting. Dr. Zelenko developed his now famous “Zelenko Protocol,” which has saved countless lives worldwide, while he was fighting recurrent and metastatic sarcoma, had open heart surgery, and aggressive chemotherapy. He has also persevered against unrelenting defamation of character from the media, and threats against his person.

Dr. Zelenko is an observant orthodox Jew, married with 8 children, and has authored two books called Metamorphosis and Essence to Essence.

This is Dr. Zelenko's website

ON THE COVID PRO-VACCINE SIDE


Dr. Jonathan Sarfati was Born in Ararat, Victoria. Sarfati moved with his family to New Zealand as a child, where he became a dual Australian and New Zealand citizen.

He attended Wellington College in New Zealand, later graduating from Victoria University of Wellington with a BSc (Hons.) in chemistry, and a PhD in the same subject for a thesis entitled "A Spectroscopic Study of some Chalcogenide Ring and Cage Molecules".

He co-authored a paper on high-temperature superconductors that was published in Nature in 1987 ("Letters to Nature"), and from 1988 to 1995, had five papers on spectroscopy of condensed matter samples published in other peer-reviewed scientific journals.

In 1996, he returned to Brisbane, Australia to work for the Creation Science Foundation, then Answers in Genesis, then its current name Creation Ministries International. In 2010, he moved to the American office of that ministry.

Sarfati was a founder of the Wellington Christian Apologetics Society in New Zealand, and has long retained an interest in Christian apologetics and the creation–evolution controversy. His first two books, Refuting Evolution in 1999, and Refuting Evolution 2 in 2002, are intended as rebuttals to the National Academy of Sciences' publication Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science and the PBS/Nova series Evolution, respectively.

Aside from being a Physical Chemist, Sarfati is a FIDE Master in chess, and achieved a draw against former world champion Boris Spassky during a tournament in Wellington in 1988, and was New Zealand's national chess champion in 1987–88.

He has given blindfold chess exhibitions at chess clubs and other events, and has played twelve such games simultaneously. His previous best was winning 11/11 at the Kapiti Chess Club in New Zealand.

THE MODERATOR


Jenna Ellis is an American lawyer, known for her work as a member of Donald Trump's legal team. She is a former deputy district attorney in Weld County, Colorado and a former assistant professor of legal studies at Colorado Christian University.

As a private lawyer, she has litigated numerous cases in state courts. In 2015, she self-published The Legal Basis for a Moral Constitution , a book arguing that the Constitution of the United States can only be interpreted in accordance with the Bible.

Ellis was hired by Trump in November 2019 as a senior legal adviser. From November 2020 to January 2021, Ellis was part of the legal team conducting efforts to overturn Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election.


PART 1 OF THE DEBATE

PART 2 OF THE DEBATE

PART 3 OF THE DEBATE

PART 4 OF THE DEBATE

PART 5 OF THE DEBATE



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: antivaccination; debate; provaccination; zevzelenko
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1 posted on 08/17/2021 8:20:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting this. Where is Jenna as I haven’t seen her on ARV?


2 posted on 08/17/2021 8:22:39 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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3 posted on 08/17/2021 9:18:25 PM PDT by bitt (<img src=' 'width=50%>)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sarfati says, "the vaccine creates a spike protein"

he left out a few important parts. Without even getting into side effects.
It starts off making trillions of viral spike proteins that can never be turned off for the rest of your life

It doesn't take much understand that isn't good. But that is cancer causing, accelerated ageing. In general it makes you permanently fighting that spike protein. Which is freaking stupid
4 posted on 08/17/2021 9:35:02 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: SeekAndFind

bookmark.


5 posted on 08/17/2021 9:59:30 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper)
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To: \/\/ayne

SAVE


6 posted on 08/17/2021 10:07:24 PM PDT by rolling_stone (is it time to roll ?)
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To: hsmomx3

She has her own show!


7 posted on 08/17/2021 10:11:20 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for sharing this whole interview. It was good to hear both points of view.


8 posted on 08/17/2021 10:25:06 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: SeekAndFind

good debate. thanks for the post.

shows the value of FR, as most of this vaccine pros and cons has been covered and aired on this site for months, providing an amazing learning experience for me.

too bad for America though that one whole side has been suppressed on social media for all this time.


9 posted on 08/17/2021 11:22:20 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Without even getting into side effects. It starts off making trillions of viral spike proteins that can never be turned off for the rest of your life.

I understand they don't have anything right now that can turn it off. But is it possible they could design and send out an mRNA that could mostly reverse the damage?

I also understand they don't want to but I'm just wondering if it's possible.
10 posted on 08/17/2021 11:24:32 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting this. Both Zelenko and Sarfati can explain both sides of complex issues clearly without sacrificing scientific accuracy. Debates where both sides actually debate instead of attack each other is a lost art.


11 posted on 08/17/2021 11:27:25 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Jane Long

I knew that but it has not been on lately. Just wondering...thanks.


12 posted on 08/17/2021 11:28:12 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: \/\/ayne
The Janssen I think could be shut down if they wanted it shut down. mRNA injections mutate into hundreds (that I'm aware )of new viral proteins and spike proteins. Some of which are new variations of covid and the cycle repeats. The original S1S2 spike from the injection sheds off shortly after taking the injection.

I have no way to prove this. I believe eventually your body will naturally over take the cycle eventually. our immunity is far stronger then we give credit.
13 posted on 08/17/2021 11:55:32 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow...After alllll these months, someone is fiiiinally allowing a debate? Who would have thunk this possible?!?!

Will watch later—but the idea of a debate is a truly wonderful thing!


14 posted on 08/18/2021 12:04:27 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sad to say Dr.Zelenko has now been shut up just like anyone else that goes against the narrative.


15 posted on 08/18/2021 12:05:16 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Islam is an ideology. It is NOT a religion.)
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To: hsmomx3

Her show is normally on right after Steve Bannon’s afternoon War Room. That’s on at 4-5pm Central on dish 219.


16 posted on 08/18/2021 12:22:57 AM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: \/\/ayne

Dr. Fleming has a protocol for Covid and for the Injected that he advises to print out and take with you for discussion with your doctor. Also links to a lot of studies. All around good website:

https://www.flemingmethod.com/best-available-published-evidence


17 posted on 08/18/2021 12:30:02 AM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Have there been any studies proving that spike proteins are forever being made? I understand that it may be possible that the DNA of the host may get altered to produce spike protein( a big may) but has anyone actually proved that spike proteins are being made after a certain period of time or is there evidence of DNA change?


18 posted on 08/18/2021 1:40:46 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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Spike viral proteins never get shut off from the injectons. The Janssen codes the viral protein with an oxygen atom then transcription takes place which means this viral spike protein keeps reproducing.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/johnson-johnson-vaccine-scientists-perspective/

The other mRNA injections start with trillions of aluminum cantons that create the S1S2 viral protein. The S1 subunit mutates into hundreds (that I'm aware of) viral proteins some of which are new variations of covid. page 24 makes this fairly clear
http://stateofthenation.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/preprints202104.0034.v3.pdf

The Janssen I think could be shut down if they wanted it shut down. mRNA injections mutate into hundreds (that I'm aware )of new viral proteins and spike proteins. Some of which are new variations of covid and the cycle repeats. The original S1S2 spike from the injection sheds off shortly after taking the injection.

I have no way to prove this. I believe eventually your body will naturally over take the cycle eventually. our immunity is far stronger then we give credit.
19 posted on 08/18/2021 2:25:09 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: SeekAndFind

Which one would you trust?

20 posted on 08/18/2021 7:43:39 AM PDT by Pollard
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