Posted on 08/08/2021 10:49:15 AM PDT by HypatiaTaught
According to the CDC, 6% of the total number of folks listed in the Covid death tally actually died from Covid.
The other 94% are from their co-morbidities. Basically they were already knocking on deaths door. So if you take the the number that is being noted today, we roughly have 700,000 deaths. Let's do the math shall we? The actual folks that died from Covid alone comes to 42,000.
On to the Jab. According to VAERS, we roughly have 12,000 folks dead of the jab. However this number is only 1% to 10% of the actual dead from the Jab. Let's say it is 10% of the true number. The math then shows at least 120,000 folks died from the jab.
Um... No. Next question.
The jab killed my grandmother and gave my uncle a stroke.
My friend works for Visa, answering phone calls from customers.
She told me early in the “epidemic,” that a 72-year-old man called in complaining that his hospital charged him $35,000 for being taken there after badly breaking his leg. One night at that hospital was $7000 for a broken leg, but they said he had Covid and charged him more.
Also, Powerline Blog posted a film of two young emergency room doctors from CA who were told by management to say people had Covid no matter why they were brought in. Film was mysteriously removed from the internet...one small site had it for awhile, but it disappeared there too. Collusion much?
“But then clowns like your article take that high end VAERS data as gospel. Which means YOU are counting car accidents against the vaccine.”
__________________________________________________
V stands for vaccine. No car accidents. VAERS is specifically administered and used by CDC & FDA to monitor vaccine adverse events.
I believe the EU version is EUDRA. They also report a high incidence of deaths from the mRNA inoculation.
“EudraVigilance is the system for managing and analysing information on suspected adverse reactions to medicines which have been authorised or being studied in clinical trials in the European Economic Area (EEA). The European Medicines Agency (EMA) operates the system on behalf of the European Union (EU) medicines regulatory network.”
Meaning the EU monitors recognize this inoculation is a clinical trial.
In the UK, the system is known as the Yellow Card. Also recording a high averse event and death rate.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
About VAERS
Background and Public Health Importance
Medical professionals working with vaccines
Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.
VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.
It is acknowledged globally that the passive reporting systems only catch 1%-10% of both adverse events and deaths. So: they under-report, rather than over-report.
“According to VAERS, we roughly have 12,000 folks dead of the jab. However this number is only 1% to 10% of the actual dead from the Jab.”
Assumption of “facts” not in evidence.
VAERS deaths, just like reported Covid deaths must be investigated to show a causal link. Otherwise your science and math is no different than the CDC’s.
Bull.Shit.
It’s a new thing for lunatics. First they get their tin foil hat adjusted just right, make sure that it’s at least two inches thick, and then coat it with rancid crap to a thickness of at least half an inch. That 100% protects them from the virus, the vaccine, the vaccine being administered by nano drones and the lethal rays of the Reptilian Overlords. Of course they must be wearing their mustard plaster vest as well.
— VAERS is compiled and provided by the CDC. If you’re going to cite VAERS you can’t then turn around and say you don’t believe the CDC. -—
Sure you can. The Vaers system is simply an online database. The CDC, by law, must maintain this database. The database has been there since 1990. It has data. You can believe the data is real and not believe pronouncements by media spokesmen at the CDC. No intellectual dishonesty at all.
You can learn about Vaers here:
https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
no, i don’t think you’re wrong. in fact what you are saying is plausible and even reasonable. i’m with you. stand your ground against folks like “discostu, querty, and others on this thread, which i include since he’s improperly and incompetently attacking you with a raw statistic, in my view.
(yes i’m an engineer and am very used to using statistics and probability correctly and appropriately in my field). and yes, i’ve seen a bunch of these statistical abusers throw out the “excess deaths” number from the cdc of 500K.
but in the same breath they never tell you the following facts:
1. lately, the cdc’s numbers and pronouncements have proven untrustworthy. many md’s and researchers are questioning much of it.
2. the cdc’s numbers followed excess deaths of previous years until late march when the dropped a covid19 new code for death to incentivise that reporting. there is a massive spike and precipitous drop in the “all cause” data after that date. you tell me why? were they holding on to all the covid19 death certificates until that date? in statistics and probability we engineers call that kind of spike impossible in data coming from natural populations.
3. since march covid19 was called as the cause of death even with multiple other co-morbitdities in play (this is a fact i’ve confirmed from the accounts morticians (yup), nurses and doctors first hand, even with no covid19 test to back it up. do you think there might be some confusion and even malfeasance in the death numbers after late march?
4. the cdc’s own all cause death rate (which is an honest statistic with a denominator, unlike the raw number thrown out by discotu) for the entire population of the US changed from .8% .9% to 1.0%. an increase of just .1 %. well within the noise of the population which didn’t decline in 2020 and which was continuing to increase in both overall size and the elderly cohort. so how come we get 500K deaths but no significant decrease in the population or death rate?
anyway stand your ground. there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. my belief is that the cdc is playing fast and loose with the numbers, and classically lying with statistics, or is using raw numbers that are rife with error. the totality of their numbers just don’t hold together, even with a cursory examination.
most likely eventually the “excess deaths” argument falls on our side, not theirs.
That's simply not true.
The FDA and CDC both review these deaths.
Here is one MDs opinion that made it through the media blackout curtain.
That's too bad because it contains outright lies.
"The last figures, as of June 25th, 2021 recorded 9,049 Covid vaccine-related deaths, which is an increase of 2,000 deaths in just one week."
The CDC, which provided VAERS, explicitly states that they haven't found a causal link to a single vaccine death.
The author is flat out lying and you should seriously question anything else from that source.
Sure, if you want to selectively choose only data that reinforces your assumptions.
The CDC says VAERS adverse events, including deaths, aren't necessarily linked to the vaccines. Do you accept this or are they lying about what their own data represent?
Problem is you’re advicing to ignore the CDC numbers, but the person is STILL USING the CDC numbers. VAER comes from CDC. So basically you’re saying “go with confirmation bias, like the numbers that agree with you, ignore the rest”.
Which is basically telling the person to lie to themselves.
Wrong advice. It’s not about standing your ground, it’s about using your head. Hats fashionable anymore, so it’s not a hat-rack. If you’re going to use CDC numbers you need to use ALL of them. And bother to understand what they mean. VAER is for reporting ALL medical incidents that happen shortly after ANY vaccine. A lot of that stuff will be unrelated, but they want to track that data to be able to find out about odd side effect. Like the prednisone temper problem. If you’re not finding out about people getting hospitalized for getting into fights after taking a medicine you’re not able to see that those numbers are high and maybe there’s something there.
And what you especially can’t do is take your convenient numbers and then multiple times 10 just cause. That’s called lying.
Enough, already. So you don’t want to get the shot, that’s your business. But the incessantly ridiculous posts (not just yours, ALL of the antivax crap coming from loony tune sources) are ruining FR.
I can’t tell pro mRNA jabbers’ arguments from anti mRNA jabbers’ arguments. They use the same bad data and the same bad logic.
But, using stochastic, inductive reasoning, rather than the dominant deterministic, deductive reasoning, I feel confident that my “let it run its course” approach is better than the “let’s panic and destroy civilization” approach.
Remember, most of the space is outside the Venn diagram.
>>Enough, already. So you don’t want to get the shot, that’s your business. But the incessantly ridiculous posts (not just yours, ALL of the antivax crap coming from loony tune sources) are ruining FR.
Couldn’t agree more.
I got the vax, and had mixed feelings about it, but ultimately decided given my age and the work everyone in my family does (healthcare with direct patient care), that it was the lesser of two evils.
I don’t think anyone should be forced to get the vax, though possibly I am OK with requiring it of healthcare works - but I could be persuaded on that one; seems heavy handed to me.
Perfectly willing to read credible information of problems the vax is causing - and I don’t doubt there are some - in fact I would welcome some actual ‘real’ debate on the issue, especially if the country starts going to down the road of mandates.
But completely silly reports, like those posted by the OP, with zero evidence and *wild* extrapolation of numbers in order to try and make a point, makes people like me - those with an open mind and who *could* be convinced either way - that perhaps the anti-vax crowd is constantly reporting just plain silly information, makes you think they do that because they can’t find any real information to backup their case.
SO for me, it’s no different than people making up hate crimes and report them to the police to prove how much hate crimes there are - why would the facts or hatecrimes need to be made up, if there are so many real facts/real hatecrimes to use instead?
So color me skeptical of outlandish claims like this.
Like I said, I got the vax, everyone should choose what is right for them and get it or not - but these constant fake reports don’t really help the debate, and I believe is actually making *more* people get the vax when they see how desperate the anti-vax crowd has become that they need to make things up to prove some point.
Get your papers in order, hide under your bed and always obey your betters.
We may need FRee Republic and Vaccine republic.
You are asking reasonable questions about very troubling data. This data is inconvenient to the pharma companies and their supporters in the media and government. Those calling you names are to be ignored. They contribute nothing to the analysis of what is going on.
The adverse effects of the vaccines are real. You can read about them in the previous animal trials of coronavirus vaccine research. Many published scientific papers discuss the dangers and pitfalls of previous and current coronavirus vaccine attempts. If you have the time, watch this video with Dr. Peter McCullough — hardly a nutcase. He has written 40 peer-reviewed papers on this virus. He certainly has the credentials. See what he has to say.
https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html
ok. again i’ll say facts matter.
i’m not advising to ignore the CDC data, in fact, i’m using their own data to call into question that very same data. it’s called “analysis.”
fact: death reporting has been messed up since last year. got plenty of reports from frontline medical and yes, morticians, to support that.
fact: VAERS comes from self reported data. not the cdc. that very fact makes it more telling than anything coming directly from the CDC. the CDC could be cooking those numbers sure. but they would be cooking them to make covid19 look more lethal, not less.
the 6% report from the CDC is a fact. further indicates confusion introduced in the death numbers due to a reporting bias on death certificates created by the CDC. that’s is a fact.
in terms, of suppositional arugument. i have no problem with it. i have no problem with it as long as it’s called out. Hypatia called it out.
i have a problem, however, with putting out a raw statistic without proper context. especially something as suspect as the 500K raw value from the CDC being thrown around here, which just magically “matches” with the number of covid19 deaths being reported by the same. especially since same number came out of nowhere in april after the data was highly correlated in previous years in the first 3 months.
i have a problem with flu data disappearing off the map in 2020.
i have lots of problems with what the cdc is putting out. imo, you sir or madam are way to trusting of the gov’t when it comes with numbers. i’ve made my living off numbers and gut feel with experience is as good as anything when it comes to making correct calls about statistical studies. always verify with multiple convergent sources of data before you trust them.
Facts do matter. But you have to UNDERSTAND the facts. Grabbing the top number from VAERS which might or might not be caused by the vaccine is just BSing yourself. Because there’s the FACT that ALL events that they know happen within a few weeks of getting a vaccine go in that DB.
The fact is the CDC and FDA and others PROCESS VAERS data and taking raw data is useless.
The surplus death number is NOT raw data. There’s a lot that goes into that. Including data showing which other causes of death went up (drug over doses) or down (traffic accident, and oddly enough suicide). There’s a whole bunch of processed data in there showing that the vast majority of the excess deaths were related to covid. It doesn’t “magically” match, it matches by digging PAST the raw data.
Flu data didn’t disappear. We’ve got really good ideas why flu cases were down. Problem is the “covids not a problem” crowd don’t like those answers because it goes against their bias. Masks and social distancing and fewer gatherings actually do slow the spread of diseases. Gosh, we’ve only known that since we figured our germ theory.
You’d rather I trust some unconfirmed random anonymous supposed engineer on the internet? Sorry bub, I ain’t buying what you say. I’m not blinding trusting ANYTHING. I bothered to actually learn how to read data. Which, if you have half the qualifications you claim, you would know that the actual processed understood data doesn’t match most of what you say.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.