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To: discostu; HypatiaTaught

ok. again i’ll say facts matter.

i’m not advising to ignore the CDC data, in fact, i’m using their own data to call into question that very same data. it’s called “analysis.”

fact: death reporting has been messed up since last year. got plenty of reports from frontline medical and yes, morticians, to support that.

fact: VAERS comes from self reported data. not the cdc. that very fact makes it more telling than anything coming directly from the CDC. the CDC could be cooking those numbers sure. but they would be cooking them to make covid19 look more lethal, not less.

the 6% report from the CDC is a fact. further indicates confusion introduced in the death numbers due to a reporting bias on death certificates created by the CDC. that’s is a fact.

in terms, of suppositional arugument. i have no problem with it. i have no problem with it as long as it’s called out. Hypatia called it out.

i have a problem, however, with putting out a raw statistic without proper context. especially something as suspect as the 500K raw value from the CDC being thrown around here, which just magically “matches” with the number of covid19 deaths being reported by the same. especially since same number came out of nowhere in april after the data was highly correlated in previous years in the first 3 months.

i have a problem with flu data disappearing off the map in 2020.

i have lots of problems with what the cdc is putting out. imo, you sir or madam are way to trusting of the gov’t when it comes with numbers. i’ve made my living off numbers and gut feel with experience is as good as anything when it comes to making correct calls about statistical studies. always verify with multiple convergent sources of data before you trust them.


79 posted on 08/08/2021 1:47:38 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: dadfly

Facts do matter. But you have to UNDERSTAND the facts. Grabbing the top number from VAERS which might or might not be caused by the vaccine is just BSing yourself. Because there’s the FACT that ALL events that they know happen within a few weeks of getting a vaccine go in that DB.

The fact is the CDC and FDA and others PROCESS VAERS data and taking raw data is useless.

The surplus death number is NOT raw data. There’s a lot that goes into that. Including data showing which other causes of death went up (drug over doses) or down (traffic accident, and oddly enough suicide). There’s a whole bunch of processed data in there showing that the vast majority of the excess deaths were related to covid. It doesn’t “magically” match, it matches by digging PAST the raw data.

Flu data didn’t disappear. We’ve got really good ideas why flu cases were down. Problem is the “covids not a problem” crowd don’t like those answers because it goes against their bias. Masks and social distancing and fewer gatherings actually do slow the spread of diseases. Gosh, we’ve only known that since we figured our germ theory.

You’d rather I trust some unconfirmed random anonymous supposed engineer on the internet? Sorry bub, I ain’t buying what you say. I’m not blinding trusting ANYTHING. I bothered to actually learn how to read data. Which, if you have half the qualifications you claim, you would know that the actual processed understood data doesn’t match most of what you say.


80 posted on 08/08/2021 2:05:44 PM PDT by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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