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German Coal Plant Closes After Just Six Years to Produce Wind-Based Energy
Interesting Engineering ^ | 14 july 2021 | Brad Bergan

Posted on 07/19/2021 12:24:50 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

A hard coal power station in Hamburg that generates 1,600 MW was shut down for good on July 7, according to a local news service, a mere six years after its initial opening. And, the Moorburg plant's owner, Vattenfall, aims to pursue a new, hydrogen project at the same site, designed to transform offshore wind energy into green hydrogen.

This is a power plant that lasted barely longer than a U.S. presidential term — practically unheard of for power plants generally, which are naturally built to last for much longer.

(Excerpt) Read more at interestingengineering.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: coal; energy; germany; stupidis; wind
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Hold my beer stein and watch this!

And note that I will not even flinch!

1 posted on 07/19/2021 12:24:50 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Maybe soon instead of just the Black forest they will have Black Germany.


2 posted on 07/19/2021 12:30:14 PM PDT by Seruzawa (The political Left is the Garden of Eden of Incompetence - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So if these Germans are so anti coal and totally against”climate change” how come they built a brand new coal plant just 6 years ago when the climate change hysteria was going on?


3 posted on 07/19/2021 12:31:48 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: DUMBGRUNT
You can decarbonize all you want. It's not going to change the climate. It may however, provide a slow death of our forests.

Don't worry...between the forest fires which could have been prevented and this decarbonizing, we won't have forests to shade us and feed the earth and the air.

4 posted on 07/19/2021 12:35:28 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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It may however, provide a slow death of our forests.That would take a million years.

It WILL most assuredly kill millions of PEOPLE with high-priced, scarce, and unreliable power. People WILL soon die of heat, cold, starvation, food poisoning (no refrigeration) and untold other unintended consequences of this insane folly. This insanity diverts scarce economic resources from where it could pay high dividends (e.g., areas that need clean water and municipal sanitation) to useless and extremely wasteful projects such as this. Bjørn Lomborg predicted this 23 years ago in "The Skeptical Environmentalist."

5 posted on 07/19/2021 12:46:13 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Criminal democrats kill babies, folks. Do you think anything else is a problem for them?” ~ joma89)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

They’re going to maintain the plant for fill-in electrical generation, and use some of the plant to produce hydrogen using off-shore wind power.

Using excess wind power to separate hydrogen seems like a good idea. Whether it’ll be more than a drop in the bucket is another matter.


6 posted on 07/19/2021 12:47:42 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: DUMBGRUNT
The average power price for households and small businesses in Germany stood at 30.43 cents per kilowatt hour.

And it will only get higher as they move to 100% renewables.

To offer perspective, I pay 8 cents/KWH here in E. Washington state.

7 posted on 07/19/2021 12:51:12 PM PDT by PROCON (Our rights do not come from government, therefore they cannot take them away.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
They could power a small city for 10 years on all the euros they are burning for this plant.


8 posted on 07/19/2021 12:56:01 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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Under each wind turbine is a house sized block of concrete a steel , I wonder what that does to the ground water


9 posted on 07/19/2021 12:56:22 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: DUMBGRUNT
article: "A hard coal power station in Hamburg that generates 1,600 MW was shut down for good on July 7"

Insanity. "Hard coal', i.e. Anthracite is a clean burning smokeless fuel. It is about as clean as natural gas, even without any special remediation.

Wind? Look at your wind turbines on a hot summer day. They don't turn. There is no breeze. Wind is as erratic, as erratic as the weather!



10 posted on 07/19/2021 12:57:13 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ("Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration." — Thomas Edison)
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—” pay 8 cents/KWH here in E. Washington state”

Here in DuPage County Il, the published rate is $00.785/kWh.

BUT! After all the added taxes and charges $00.15/kWh.

Why does it take FIVE workers to run one mower under the lines?
One coming, one going, one shiting, one mowing, and a supervisor.


11 posted on 07/19/2021 1:13:55 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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—”Under each wind turbine is a house sized block of concrete a steel “

Not much different than a similar size house with a basement.

The problem is when it comes time to remove it.


12 posted on 07/19/2021 1:17:25 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

What happens when the wind doesn’t blow?


13 posted on 07/19/2021 1:23:05 PM PDT by sauropod (The smartphone is the retina of the mind's eye.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It’s my understanding that one of these windmills doesn’t generate the power it took to make it during its service life.


14 posted on 07/19/2021 1:25:06 PM PDT by wjcsux (RIP Rush Limbaugh 12 Jan 1951- 17 Feb 2021. We really miss you. 😢)
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—”What happens when the wind doesn’t blow?”

The French will be happy to sell them power, with a long-term contract.


15 posted on 07/19/2021 1:25:23 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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—”windmills doesn’t generate the power it took to make it during its service life.”

I have seen that statement, many variables, location, length of service...

If the service life is similar to the coal burner in the article...Not good.


16 posted on 07/19/2021 1:29:34 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: wjcsux

Where does Germany put the blades when they wear out? We bury them.


17 posted on 07/19/2021 1:39:09 PM PDT by alternatives?
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“This is a power plant that lasted barely longer than a U.S. presidential term ..... which are naturally built to last for much longer.”

Plants are usually designed to last 25 years before being rebuilt and run another 25 years. Our local coal power plant went on line in 1977, and has been rebuilt to meet Obama standards, and is still running.

Other coal plants I know that went on line in 1975 have been shut down and destroyed.


18 posted on 07/19/2021 1:44:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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So we are not the only country overtaken with stupidity! The sad thing about it is that this relatively brand new Coull plant was probably equipped with the latest pollution control equipment. Economic idiocy!


19 posted on 07/19/2021 1:51:26 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (A world in which dogs write poetry is more believable than the world as seen through the Media)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I have seen coal, oil and gas fired power plants that are over 50 years old.


20 posted on 07/19/2021 1:54:11 PM PDT by wjcsux (RIP Rush Limbaugh 12 Jan 1951- 17 Feb 2021. We really miss you. 😢)
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