Vaccine Makers Claim COVID Shots Are ‘95% Effective’

I will put my body at risk getting COViD-19 just so I can eat my ice cream.

" People who have received the jab are now being tracked in real time by the 5G networks. They have become transmitters, transmitting all info about themselves back to the mother-ship aka the AI receiver. This is wild.... It also shows the exact info of the firmware, CPU info and processor that is inside the person."

After two Moderna shots, that refrigerator magnet never stuck on my upper arm. What th . . .!

To think there are chips slipped into our arms with the vaccines tells me you have worn that tin foil conspiracy hat too tight and have cut off the flow of blood to your cerebellum. Is your house insulated? Don't you know that insulation has a foil backing facing inward to the room?

Thank you for the laugh and the opportunity for the sarcasm.

You have revealed the state of America’s education system. People have been dumbed down so badly that similar statistics will get them to vote for Marxist candidates.

Your numbers are off by an order of magnitude. It was about 20,000 I’m each group, not 200,000. Talking louder doesn’t help either.

Thank you for the laugh and the opportunity for the sarcasm.

You are just like the media. You see and report what you want, and ignore what is said. I said I have no way of verifying the validity of this. So to be honest I have not bought into anything. You can be condescending all you want, but you do not get to be selective. We are living in very dangerous times, and if you think that is tinfoil stuff, then you are really not paying very much attention and are therefore an idiot. The truth is you are not nearly as smart as you believe you are.

Oh! I guess you have everything figured out, then.

Whatever you say Jimmy Kimmel. Curious though, were you born that way, or have you worked at it your whole life?

Your efforts to give personal insults, while not addressing the merits of your case are not a good reflection of your character. I never watch that Leftnick, Jimmy Kimmel.

Here is something you can tell me: Why is the Lipid Nanoparticle so important for the vaccine?

Oh but your efforts to give personal assaults are perfectly fine. You are a Democrat aren't you. As for your simple question:

(A) So the mRNA can be encapsulated in the lipid nanoparticles for protection from enzymatic degradation. A positively charged lipid nanoparticle favors localization of mRNA at the negatively charged cell membrane, including subsequent endocytosis into the cytosol. In order to be transcribed, the mRNA must escape both the lipid nanoparticle and the endosome.

(B) Extracellular proteins based vaccines are endocytosed in a similar manner, but do not need to escape from the endosome to be presented on MHC Class II molecules which are a class of major histocompatibility complex molecules normally found only on professional antigen-presenting cells such as dendritic cells, mononuclear phagocytes, some endothelial cells, thymic epithelial cells, and B cells. These cells are important in initiating immune responses.

But answer me this; why did they say that hydroxychloroquine, & ivermectin were not only ancedotal, but dangerous to use, when they knew damn well that they both were not only safe, but also effective against coronaviruses?

Furthermore, why are they in such a push to vaccinate 100% of the population?

While you may think that lipid nanoparticles can only be used for good, you better do further research. Anything that has a positive, always has a negative associated with it also.

Lastly, why have they not given these vaccines their stamp of approval if they are safe and effective? How many have to die before we slow down the vaccination process? If they say that the vaccines are not the cause, where are the autopsies?

Money is the main motivation. They trashed what could have been a cheap & effective tool to combat this novel coronavirus. If they give these vaccines FDA approval, then the manufactures can be sued, so they will not do that right now. But their reasons go far beyond just the money aspects. One we can all agree on was to use the virus to interfere in an election process to take down a president both parties didn't like, and they had to do it so clumsily that enough people saw it and complained. The big tech entities also assisted in many ways, such as controlling the flow of information, as well as, millions in money illegally infused into the voting process.

There is also good reasons for fearing vaccines that have caused many deaths worldwide, while deaths from the virus, while dangerous to some, barely register with the majority of people. They used the virus to destroy world economies. So what are they going to do with the many people now suffering, not from the virus, but from a storm of epic proportions with supply chains falling apart, and food supplies rapidly becoming an issue.

Like I said you are not nearly as smart as you believe yourself to be. Besides that you are a hypocrite of epic proportions. By being condescending towards me of something I posted that may or may not (most likely not) a valid concern. That is what discussion is about, and that is how we learn.

However, when I treat you in kind as you treated me, you then further beat your chest stating you are intelligent and I am nothing more than a tinfoil wearing idiot. You better look in the mirror to see who the real idiot is here.

I can answer all of your questions. However, it has been my experience with those who are opposed to the mRNA vaccine to find some flaw in my wording and use it to destroy the entire narrative. This is what is called the composition fallacy: something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole. A trivial example might be: “This tire is made of rubber, therefore the vehicle of which it is a part is also made of rubber.

You asked: “why did they say that hydroxychloroquine, & ivermectin were not only ancedotal, but dangerous to use, when they knew damn well that they both were not only safe, but also effective against coronaviruses? , & ivermectin were not only ancedotal, but dangerous to use, when they knew damn well that they both were not only safe, but also effective against coronaviruses?”

Answer: When people first began using HCQ and Ivermectin for COVID infection, both were being used for treatments for other diseases. Those diseases were not viral infections. HCQ works by killing the organisms that cause malaria and it also to treat rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus by decreasing the activity of the immune system. Even though it showed promise in treating COVID not much was understood how zinc played an important part in its effectiveness against COVID.

Medical science is very methodical and each step of the analyses must be thoroughly made. People on the outside can get very frustrated when the answers seem so obvious. In my mind, HCQ allowed a pathway for the zinc to enter the cell where it interfered with the transcription process. HCQ may also interfere with the docking process with the ACE-II receptor. That had to happen early on in the infection, before the virus was able to trigger the cytokine storm, which kills the victim. All the workings of HCQ had to be understood perfectly, so they can know how to use it. And everyone wanted FDA approval for it at warp speed. I am not sure, even now, if my doctor knows what the proper dose I should take if I ever needed it for Covid.

The U.S. government should have financed the clinical trials for HCQ and Ivermectin early on, but they trusted that the vaccine producers could have a better solution with their vaccines. Ivermectin is now in clinical trials. It is just that methodical thinking which many don’t understand.

I talked to my doctor about Ivermectin. He said I could not get a prescription for it through the Kaiser Permanente system. None of the doctors would prescribe it because it is still in clinical trials. How can that be? Ivermectin is having miraculous results in other parts of the world. Medical science is very methodical. They learned during the 80s when the malpractice lawsuits were epidemic, that increased caution in medical treatment was essential. Malpractice insurance went sky high. I suspect that lawsuits against Phizer and Moderna are in the works right now.

No, I am not a Dem. I have been a Republican since Richard Nixon. I have been an elected Republican Precinct Officer for 17 years and have risen to be GOP Vice Chair of my legislative district. My understanding of the virus and the vaccines has been a self-taught hobby. I still have a lot to learn. Nothing is 100% perfect for me. The harsh treatment I get when FReepers get mad because it is not in line with the anti-vaxx narrative is a good thing. When I am fighting against the Leftnicks in the Seattle area, I need to be tough.

Why do they want a 100% vaccination of the population?

Answer: They want to take the virus to the same place that they took Measles, Mumps, Smallpox, Polio, Chicken Pox,Tetanus, Hepatitis B (soon to be eliminated in the U.S.), Hepatitis A (soon to be eliminated in the U.S.), Rubella, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Haemophilus influenzae type b, and Diphtheria. Vaccines have been one of the greatest accomplishments of mankind. I can hardly wait to see how this mRNA/lipid nanoparticle technology plays out in personalized cancer vaccines and other diseases, now in clinical trials.

The Covid vaccines have shown their effectiveness with the New Delta Variant striking only unvaccinated people. I could have used the word “mostly” but this is how it is being described. If this new strain lacks the morbidity, that would be good because of the natural immunity effect.

The whole thing has been a royal scam from the onset.

Believe Nothing that they (PtB) tell you, Nothing!

Answer: When people first began using HCQ and Ivermectin for COVID infection, both were being used for treatments for other diseases. Those diseases were not viral infections. HCQ works by killing the organisms that cause malaria and it also to treat rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus by decreasing the activity of the immune system. Even though it showed promise in treating COVID not much was understood how zinc played an important part in its effectiveness against COVID.

They had many other off label uses, and they were safe for even pregnant and nursing females. As for medical science, they ignored a lot of it, and even lied on other topics that medical science, such as the total lack of effectiveness of mask wearing with viruses. Which we found out from Mr. Medical Science himself, Fake Fauci, from his emails. As for the mRNA "vaccine" we have even less medical science showing its effectiveness or safety of its usage. Nice try, but further propaganda. what position do you hold in the Biden Administration?

In my mind, HCQ allowed a pathway for the zinc to enter the cell where it interfered with the transcription process. HCQ may also interfere with the docking process with the ACE-II receptor. That had to happen early on in the infection, before the virus was able to trigger the cytokine storm, which kills the victim. All the workings of HCQ had to be understood perfectly, so they can know how to use it. And everyone wanted FDA approval for it at warp speed. I am not sure, even now, if my doctor knows what the proper dose I should take if I ever needed it for Covid.

In your mind you have it wrong. Read the reality:

Zinc and HCQ

The U.S. government should have financed the clinical trials for HCQ and Ivermectin early on, but they trusted that the vaccine producers could have a better solution with their vaccines. Ivermectin is now in clinical trials. It is just that methodical thinking which many don’t understand.

They knew already, they lied because there was no money in this safe & effective tool to combat the novel coronavirus. The vaccine became important to free the people from the draconian measures being enacted in Democrat states, and apparently you fell for it hook, line, & sinker because you apparently were so afraid, thought you understood medical science, and were obvious to the scam they were running on us.

But the real important aspect, is that they know now, and the people who did studies to make the case that it was dangerous, have been thoroughly debunked. However, they still refuse to allow them to be used to combat the virus via their doctors, and insist on "vaccines" that have caused many to experience either debilitating conditions to death of people of all ages in all types of physical conditions prior to taking the jab, yet they are still pushing the unproven "vaccines". Wake up my FRiend.

I talked to my doctor about Ivermectin. He said I could not get a prescription for it through the Kaiser Permanente system. None of the doctors would prescribe it because it is still in clinical trials. How can that be? Ivermectin is having miraculous results in other parts of the world. Medical science is very methodical. They learned during the 80s when the malpractice lawsuits were epidemic, that increased caution in medical treatment was essential. Malpractice insurance went sky high. I suspect that lawsuits against Phizer and Moderna are in the works right now

You need to find another doctor, and quickly. Because the manufactures and everyone prescribing and promoting the "vaccines" are not subject to lawsuits, because we are in the midst of the largest "vaccine" trial ever carried out in the country, no, made that the world. Again, wake up, but more importantly learn that you are not nearly as smart as you believe yourself to be, when it comes to this virus or these "vaccines"because you have not researched this as completely as many others on this board have done. You got your "vaccines" and you didn't have magnets stick to you. What a lame & stuoid retort you offered my FRiend.

No, I am not a Dem. I have been a Republican since Richard Nixon. I have been an elected Republican Precinct Officer for 17 years and have risen to be GOP Vice Chair of my legislative district. My understanding of the virus and the vaccines has been a self-taught hobby. I still have a lot to learn. Nothing is 100% perfect for me. The harsh treatment I get when FReepers get mad because it is not in line with the anti-vaxx narrative is a good thing. When I am fighting against the Leftnicks in the Seattle area, I need to be tough.

So you are a RINO, even worse. Did you hate Donald J. Trump like the rest of the RINOs?

Answer: They want to take the virus to the same place that they took Measles, Mumps, Smallpox, Polio, Chicken Pox,Tetanus, Hepatitis B (soon to be eliminated in the U.S.), Hepatitis A (soon to be eliminated in the U.S.), Rubella, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), Whooping Cough, Pneumococcal Disease, Haemophilus influenzae type b, and Diphtheria. Vaccines have been one of the greatest accomplishments of mankind. I can hardly wait to see how this mRNA/lipid nanoparticle technology plays out in personalized cancer vaccines and other diseases, now in clinical trials.

The Covid vaccines have shown their effectiveness with the New Delta Variant striking only unvaccinated people. I could have used the word “mostly” but this is how it is being described. If this new strain lacks the morbidity, that would be good because of the natural immunity effect.

Yeah, that is why there have been more deaths from people who have taken the "vaccines" than those who haven't taken any "vaccine". So there is no proof the "vaccines" have had a positive or negative effect on the virus.

obvious should be oblivious

From your link: “Zinc is a decidedly anti-viral mineral. High intracellular concentrations inhibit the replication of RNA type viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2. Zinc does this by blocking RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, the core enzyme of their multiprotein replication and transcription complex that is critical for the copying of viral RNA.”

From my post: “In my mind, HCQ allowed a pathway for the zinc to enter the cell where it interfered with the transcription process.” I didn’t mention the action of the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, because I wanted to keep it simple. The virus’s RNA being transcripted by the ribosome leaves the ribosome and goes to the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase to synthecize multiple copies of the RNA which uses the polyproteins given off by the ribosome to duplicate multiple copies of the Covid virus. I didn’t think you wanted to read all of that. There is actually more to it than that. It can get boring.

The messenger RNA method has had 50 years of research going into it. According to Robert Langer, the David H. Koch Institute Professor at MIT, a member of the Koch Institute, and one of the founders of Moderna, “With traditional vaccines, you have to do a lot of development. You need a big factory to make the protein, or the virus, and it takes a long time to grow them. The beauty of mRNA is that you don’t need that. If you inject nanoencapsulated mRNA into a person, it goes into the cells, and then the body is your factory. The body takes care of everything else from there.”

Langer has spent decades developing novel ways to deliver medicines, including therapeutic nucleic acids such as RNA and DNA. In the 1970s, he published the first study showing that it was possible to encapsulate nucleic acids, as well as other large molecules, in tiny particles and deliver them into the body. (Work by MIT Institute Professor Phillip Sharp and others on RNA splicing, which also laid groundwork for today’s mRNA vaccines, began in the ’70s as well.)

“It was very controversial at the time,” Langer recalls. “Everybody told us it was impossible, and my first nine grants were rejected. I spent about two years working on it, and I found over 200 ways to get it to not work. But then eventually I did find a way to get it to work.”

That paper, which appeared in Nature in 1976, showed that tiny particles made of synthetic polymers could safely carry and slowly release large molecules such as proteins and nucleic acids. Later, Langer and others showed that when polyethylene glycol (PEG) was added to the surface of nanoparticles, they could last in the body for much longer, instead of being destroyed almost immediately.

In subsequent years, Langer, Anderson, and others have developed fatty molecules called lipid nanoparticles that are also very effective at delivering nucleic acids. These carriers protect RNA from being broken down in the body and help to ferry it through cell membranes. Both the Moderna and Pfizer RNA vaccines are carried by lipid nanoparticles with PEG.

“Messenger RNA is a large hydrophilic molecule. It doesn’t naturally enter cells by itself, and so these vaccines are wrapped up in nanoparticles that facilitate their delivery inside of cells. This allows the RNA to be delivered inside of cells, and then translated into proteins,” Anderson says.

In 2018, the FDA approved the first lipid nanoparticle carrier for RNA, which was developed by Alnylam Pharmaceuticals to deliver a type of RNA called siRNA. Unlike mRNA, siRNA silences its target genes, which can benefit patients by turning off mutated genes that cause disease.

One drawback to mRNA vaccines is that they can break down at high temperatures, which is why the current vaccines are stored at such cold temperatures. Pfizer’s SARS-CoV-2 vaccine has to be stored at -70 degrees Celsius (-94 degrees Fahrenheit), and the Moderna vaccine at -20 C (-4 F). One way to make RNA vaccines more stable, Anderson points out, is to add stabilizers and remove water from the vaccine through a process called lyophilization, which has been shown to allow some mRNA vaccines to be stored in a refrigerator instead of a freezer.

The striking effectiveness of both of these Covid-19 vaccines in phase 3 clinical trials (roughly 95 percent) offers hope that not only will those vaccines help to end the current pandemic, but also that in the future, RNA vaccines may help in the fight against other diseases such as HIV and cancer, Anderson says.

I guess when I tell this factual information, you want to reject it because it does not fit the anti-vaxx narrative. I say get the politics out of the science. Let’s share what we know is true and learn from it.

Your first problem, as even pro-vaxxers are turning against these "vaccines", so do not blame it all on anti-vaxxers. There 2nd part of your problem is thinking people who are rejecting these "vaccines are being political in their rejection of these "vaccines".

The reasons people are rejecting these "vaccines are a) don't want to take the chance on being either one of those experiencing life changing adverse reactions, including death, b)they do not wish to participate in an experimental "vaccine" trial, which is what these are, and c) they don't like being compelled to participate against their wishes, which is what this is ultimately becoming, otherwise, they are being threatened to lose their jobs or be subjected to being treated like pariah at the workplace.

The History of the mRNA Vaccines

I have taken the polio virus vaccine, so technically I am not an anti-vaxxer. I just prefer for my immune system to handle viruses.

Another real issue with these mRNA viruses is that they do not stay in the arm injection site like other vaccines, and that one location produces the anti-bodies that then enter the blood stream. The problem is that these mRNA "vaccines" do not stay in the arm injection site, but instead travel through your entire body, even going to the brain.

Perhaps what you need to do is check out the VAERS database to see exactly what the adverse reactions are.

This is from 6/17/2021, so it is quite outdated, and it has gotten much worse (the U.S. is now over 9,000 deaths the last I heard):

There are other considerations within the equation as well:

Introducing the 'Great Reset,' world leaders' radical plan to transform the economy

So it's not all about money, but is also about power grab.

I’ve never been anti-vaxx

Not one but two relatives, 1 dead, within a few weeks after Vaxx.

No more

You need to convey that to Freeper: jonrick46.

He has more excuses than a Carter's pill bottle has liver pills.

I absolutely do not want to say anyone must get the vaccines. I like what Dr. Ben Carson said. He said, read everything you can to make a good decision that is best for you in regards to getting the vaccine. I will get some time to digest everything you provided and I thank you for providing it.

The vaccines are about 95% complete in their final stage of clinical trials. Full approval is close at hand to move these vaccines out of he experimental catagory.

The idea that the vaccine goes throughout the body and enters the brain is an exaggeration according to Harvard University who did the study looking into circulating Covid vaccine antigen

This video explains why the mRNA does not stay in the body:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EfToFXwx98

The Harvard study saying that Spike Proteins float through the blood after the injection was a misrepresentation of their findings. According to the University of Texas at Austin, “The spike protein is not pathogenic. It is not a toxin. The spike protein encoded by the mRNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech) and the J&J vaccine instruct the cells in our arm (where the injection is given) to produce spike protein that is tethered to the surface of the cell. It is not secreted and thus does not float through the body.” The You Tube video above gives you the details.

Much of the misinformation about the Spike Protein is from Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at the University of Guelph’s Ontario Veterinary College. It comes out that the authors of two of the studies he cites tell us their findings don’t back Bridle’s statements.

“Bridle is taking our results and completely misinterpreting them,” said David R. Walt, a member of the faculty at Harvard Medical School and of Harvard’s Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering, who co-authored the study that found circulating SARS-CoV-2 vaccine antigen in the plasma of vaccine recipients.

The study, published in Clinical Infectious Diseases in May, collected plasma from 13 health care workers at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston who had received two doses of mRNA vaccine. Researchers detected levels of SARS-CoV-2 protein as early as one day after the first injection in 11 of the 13 participants.

Bridle presents the study as evidence that the spike protein gets into blood circulation. Walt said that the aim of the study was to see if an ultrasensitive detection technology, a single-molecule array, could detect circulating antigen produced by the mRNA vaccine to demonstrate the vaccine is working as designed.

“We found we could detect extremely low concentrations of S1 (a subunit of spike) in 11 of 13 healthy vaccinated individuals and the full spike in 3 of 13,” he said in an email, noting that the technology they used is 1,000 times more sensitive than a typical antigen test, “so we are really detecting minute quantities of the spike and S1 proteins.”

“We found that within a few days of the antigen appearing, the individuals developed antibodies that removed the antigen from the bloodstream,” he added. “Our conclusion was that the vaccine is working as intended.”

You are aware aren't you that there are protests breaking out across the globe of people who are sick and tired of this fake pandemic, the lock-downs, and the threats of "vaccination" passports or you don't get to live a normal life?

Do you not see that evil is trying to take over? Do you not see why people are starting to question everything related to these so-called "vaccines"? Do you think these are because they really care about the people, most of whom they look down upon as not worthy of expanding resources and air that keep them alive? These are the same people that have said that the solution is to rid the world of 100s of millions. I

I honestly hope nothing happens down the road with your vaccinations, that there isn't a ticking time bomb.

Only evil would remove freedoms that many in the world have enjoyed, even if on a lesser scale than we have enjoyed.

From the link:

Will a vaccine to SARS-CoV-2 actually make the problem worse? Although not a certainty, all of the current data says that this prospect is a real possibility that needs to be paid careful attention to. If you stay with me, I’ll explain why.

First, let’s set aside the debate surrounding the topic of whether vaccines work and the negative health consequences due to the components of the vaccine. No matter where you stand on the vaccine issue, I’m not asking anyone to capitulate on this point. I’m just asking that this issue be set aside, because in this instance this argument is completely irrelevant.

Even without bringing any other issue into the vaccine debate, a coronavirus vaccine is a highly dangerous undertaking due to a peculiar Trojan horse mechanism known as Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). Regardless of someone’s conviction about vaccines, this point needs to be acknowledged. In the remaining portion of this article, I’m going to explain how ADE works and the future perils it may bring.

For a vaccine to work, our immune system needs to be stimulated to produce a neutralizing antibody, as opposed to a non-neutralizing antibody. A neutralizing antibody is one that can recognize and bind to some region (‘epitope’) of the virus, and that subsequently results in the virus either not entering or replicating in your cells. (Excerpt)

Get the damned vaccine.

How about GFY.