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Earliest evidence of humans changing ecosystems with fire
Science Daily ^ | May 5, 2021 | Yale University

Posted on 05/08/2021 6:58:57 AM PDT by Salman

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The study, published on May 5 in the journal Science Advances, combines archaeological evidence -- dense clusters of stone artifacts dating as far back as 92,000 years ago -- with paleoenvironmental data on the northern shores of Lake Malawi in eastern Africa to document that early humans were ecosystem engineers. They used fire in a way that prevented regrowth of the region's forests, creating a sprawling bushland that exists today.

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"This is the earliest evidence I have seen of humans fundamentally transforming their ecosystem with fire," said Jessica Thompson, assistant professor of anthropology in the Faculty of Arts and Sciences and the paper's lead author. "It suggests that by the Late Pleistocene, humans were learning to use fire in truly novel ways. In this case, their burning caused replacement of the region's forests with the open woodlands you see today."

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KEYWORDS: africa; climate; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; jessicathompson; lakemalawi; science
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To: Salman

They used fire in a way that prevented regrowth of the region’s forests, creating a sprawling bushland that exists today.


If humans 90,000 years ago created bush land deliberately, are they still doing it or do the practice die out many thousands of years ago, and if so why haven’t the forests returned?

Or is it a bunch of scientists having a theory and then go looking for anything that upholds that theory, while discarding all other possibilities? After all if its something to do with environment, it is a proven fact that without human intervention the environment would never change and the weather would always be perfect planet wide, right? Therefore, humans are responsible for this wanton deforestation obviously!


21 posted on 05/08/2021 9:29:48 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Salman
Evidence for a Young Earth and Creation

https://answersingenesis.org/creation-vs-evolution/evidence-for-young-earth-creation/

22 posted on 05/08/2021 11:09:58 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Salman; Gamecock; SaveFerris; PROCON
So they are the original bushmen? I wonder if Elaine would have knocked them off for their sandals? She would have to lay off the poppy seeds and watch the English Patient first.


23 posted on 05/08/2021 11:13:56 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Salman

Interesting. Also proves there were no Rhinoceros there to put out those fires!


24 posted on 05/08/2021 1:55:51 PM PDT by Doctor DNA (Fine words butter no parsnips)
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To: Doctor DNA

Australia has at least two species of bird that use fire to change their ecosystem. It’s the only (known) animal other than man to use fire constructively.


25 posted on 05/08/2021 6:05:01 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Thanks Salman. While checking for earlier stories about this (sounded familiar), found instead that the Lake Malawi keyword is pretty interesting.

26 posted on 05/08/2021 10:13:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: carriage_hill

Stone can absolutely be dated, especially if it was heated by fire—archaeomagnetic dating.


27 posted on 05/09/2021 8:49:33 AM PDT by dinodino ( )
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To: dinodino

Archaeomagnetic dating is a method of dating iron-bearing sediments that have been superheated — for example, the clay lining of an ancient hearth.

For radiocarbon dating to be possible, the material must once have been part of a living organism. This means that things like stone, metal and pottery cannot usually be directly dated by this means unless there is some organic material embedded or left as a residue.

To establish the age of a rock or a fossil, researchers use some type of clock to determine the date it was formed. Geologists commonly use radiometric dating methods, based on the natural radioactive decay of certain elements such as potassium and carbon, as reliable clocks to date ancient events.

Geologists do not use carbon-based radiometric dating to determine the age of rocks. Carbon dating only works for objects that are younger than about 50,000 years, and most rocks of interest are older than that. ... Over time, carbon-14 decays radioactively and turns into nitrogen.


28 posted on 05/09/2021 9:17:09 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit..)
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To: carriage_hill

I know all that. We are talking about ancient fires here.


29 posted on 05/09/2021 9:19:44 AM PDT by dinodino ( )
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To: dinodino

The surviving charcoal, and other organic materials/fossils in the firepit can be dated, but not the actual rocks.


30 posted on 05/09/2021 10:20:55 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit..)
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To: carriage_hill

Yes, the rocks can be dated, due to the baked-in magnetic fields.


31 posted on 05/09/2021 4:49:05 PM PDT by dinodino ( )
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To: Salman

When the English first sailed up and down the coast of north america —they reported that sometimes it looked like the whole continent was on fire.

The Indians were burning away the underbrush in the forest. This enabled grass to grow under the trees which was food for deer buffalo and elk—plus rabbits and other small game.

This made the the forests of the eastern seaboard look like parks.

Indians in the midwest did the same thing as did the california indians.

The Indians were forest managers.


32 posted on 05/10/2021 9:32:43 AM PDT by ckilmer
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