Posted on 04/14/2021 8:22:26 AM PDT by RandFan
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Medical expert testifies George Floyd died from sudden cardiac arrhythmia brought on by heart disease and drugs during restraint by police
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that is SO pathetic!! the total fix is in from the state
> According to the prosecution witness, continuing restraint after a person loses consciousness is normal and appropriate. <
Okay. But even after a prone, handcuffed person was found to have no pulse? (Officer Kueng checked Floyd, and found no pulse.)
I not arguing here that Chauvin must be guilty. I’m just saying what bothers me the most about this mess.
Read the Post link...Last line...tech said Floyd had a heartbeat
“I don’t believe anyone can honestly answer those questions of yours unless you ask God.”
But the defense doesn’t have to prove anything, or even answer questions. That is the responsibility of the prosecution.
Now, the defense - through expert witnesses - is raising reasonable doubts about prosecution allegations.
Remember, the defense’s expert witnesses have been recognized by the court as expert. They have credibility unless the prosecution can destroy their credibility.
Several prosecution witnesses testified otherwise. It’ll all depend on who the jury believes.
And they both lost.
My concern is that this jury may fear for their family’s safety and decide accordingly.
I am watching the testimony.
Finally, there is a discussion about Floyd’s heart conditions (none were good), his drug abuse, and the stress from Floyd’s resistance of being hauled off to jail.
I conclude Floyd did not suffer a painful death as he was loaded up with the pain killer, Fentanyl.
I am waiting to hear testimony about how Fentanyl reduces or stops pain.
I think they kept the restraint too long, but I also suspect they didn’t know what to do in that situation. And they chose badly. Once the pulse was gone, however, what they continued to do became irrelevant - if he’s dead, he’s dead.
I think we’re seeing a number of training issues around the country at the same time police departments are having their budgets cut - and when budgets are cut, training is often the first thing that goes away. If people were serious about stopping these incidents, then INCREASING POLICE FUNDING would make sense. But as always, liberals do the opposite because to be a liberal is to have impaired powers of reasoning!
“””Would Floyd have died that day at that time without the police restraint, due to his heart disease and drug usage?”””
Or would Floyd have died if he had tried to run away from the police?
Given the testimony I have heard thus far, the answer would be a resounding yes. He would likely have collapsed and died within a few hundred yards.
Floyd was in bad health and stress kills.
> If people were serious about stopping these incidents, then INCREASING POLICE FUNDING would make sense. <
I totally agree.
“””“The last time he was arrested his blood pressure was 216/160”
Can you post a link for this?”””
This was from the testimony of the paramedic who testified yesterday regarding his arrest and being treated in April 2019.
BTW, I was surprised to learn the paramedic say she had been in EMS for 30 years and now retired. She looked much younger.
Possibly.
His actions raised his heart rate and blood pressure which does not mix well with heart disease.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/live-chauvin-trial-day-13-this-morning-court-to-consider-judgment-of-acquittal/
Nelson: In terms of stress reaction, jury saw some evidence of an incident off 2019, ,a year prior to Floyd death, stopped by police, admitted to ingesting controlled substances, seen by paramedics. At that time, his blood pressure was 216/160. Signify to you?
Fowler: That's markedly elevated, could be due to his hypertension being out of control, but this is much higher than expect from that. Could be part of stress reaction, adrenaline secreted and pushing heart rate and also causing vasoconstriction.
“””Also, the ME failed to send the stomach contents out for chemical analysis, which is unusual in both an OD case and a homicide investigation, which this case is both”””
I am also concerned the ME did not do a tox analysis on the stomach contents. The ME said there were no visible pills or pill fragments in the stomach contents.
But when we see the how quickly those pills dissolve in saliva, (re the pill fragments Floyd spit out in the squad car) I would think the pills would disintegrate very quickly in stomach acids.
The Defense’s pathologist currently on the stand said that under stress the sympathetic nervous system cuts off blood flow to the stomach, skin, and other non-vital organs.
But does Fentanyl screwup the sympathetic nervous system and instead send it to the stomach????
In so many words I would like to hear testimony about how Fentanyl affects the total body.
There is no way Chauvin and 3 rookie cops should have let their guard down to give chest compressions surrounded by a very hostile crowd.
CPR would have done no good anyhow.
Most of your questions are way above my medical knowledge. But, I do know that pills can dissolve very quickly in the stomach and most pills will be completely undetectable (by sight) within the hour, or less.
He was dying when the po.ice first got there, before any interaction by the po,ice. George’s first words to police, I. His drugged out state of mind was ‘I can’t breathe. He was panicking because he was having trouble breathing even before police got there. George was already dying. The only question is, did the interaction speed it up or not? I don’t think so. His autopsy showed His lungs were toast. The struggle didn’t do that to him
Floyd had been limp and unresponsive longer than 90 seconds. I agree it would likely have done no good but I think they had an obligation to render aid
He wasn’t found to ‘have no pulse’, the officer said he could not ‘find one’- there is a difference. The officer very well may not have known how to find one, or could not get a proper angle to test from, etc. It doesn’t mean there wasn’t a pulse.
And the sirens of the ambulance were on the way, the proper course of action was to hold him in restraint until the ambulance got there to definitively find whether or not there was a pulse and signs of life while George was more securely restrained on a gurney incase he suddenly regained consciousness and tried to violently resist again.
Many many cases where a person passes out, shows no signs of life, even no actual pulse, only to bolt awake again minutes later.
That is the key reason to keep a large oldest man who was actively resisting in a drugged out state, restrained until he could be properly restrained in a safe manner and worked on medically by professionals.
The defense has brilliantly made this point several times now, even getting the prosecution’s own witnesses to admit these facts
> He wasn’t found to ‘have no pulse’, the officer said he could not ‘find one’- there is a difference. <
Agreed.
> Many many cases where a person passes out, shows no signs of life, even no actual pulse, only to bolt awake again minutes later. <
Agreed. But what nags at me is that Floyd was handcuffed at the time. What damage could he have done if he somehow got out of a looser restraint? Maybe he’d just stumble around until he was taken to the ground again.
And that’s thing about using force, be it your fists, a knee to the back, or some sort of weapon. You’re only supposed to use the minimum force necessary.
Did Chauvin use only the minimum force necessary? I dunno. And yes, I know that a hostile crowd was gathering. That made matters worse. So I’m not saying Chauvin is a murderer. I’m just trying to sort this all out.
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