Posted on 04/13/2021 2:21:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
"... both Irish and Welsh sources portrayed it as a tribal migration of the Irish Dessi or Deisi headed by their own king and, from the Irish viewpoint, a suitable 'expulsion' saga was adduced. The direct line of Irish rulers of Welsh Dyfed went on into the 7th and 8th centuries. An interesting mix arose; by 400 Irish and British were fully differing languages, and additionally Christians from both nations used different scripts (Latin and Ogham) for their memorials. Irish never replaced British in Wales the way it did in Scotland, but relative numerical strengths do not necessarily explain why; less obvious factors could be involved."
Wendy Davies (1982: 87) concludes that the refortification of coastal forts such as Caernarfon and Cardiff was undertaken in response to Irish raids in the fourth century. When Magnus Maximus left Britain in 388 the garrison in Caernarfon (and elsewhere) was probably depleted, making it easier for raids to turn into settlement. Davies (1982: 88) noted that 'the writings of Patrick suggest that the search for slaves encouraged the early raiders, but we cannot rule out the possibility that internal Irish problems provided the stimulus for settlement abroad - as the tradition of the expulsion of the group called Deisi, driven from Meath to Leinster, and from Leinster overseas would have us believe.'
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Thanks ct! And I'm in great shape, since round is a shape. /rimshot /purloinedhumor
It's a beautiful day, and I have to get off my duff and get outside.
My pleasure!
Good call! Very interesting!
I've seen them played before, and hmm, boy was that a long time ago now. Not everyone's cup, but when I hear the pipes (this, the much more common Scottish bagpipes, Northumbrian smallpipes) I can just about feel my late and unknown ancestors put a hand on my shoulder.
Uilleann piping |
After the victory at Culloden, the British enacted a series of laws that irreparably shattered the clan system and with it, the Highland way of life. Among other restrictions, they banned the wearing of the kilt, the playing of the bagpipe, and the carrying of the claymore and targe. They also reduced the status of the hereditary clan chief to that of landlord.Scots Peak at the Battle of Prestonpans, 1745When the ban came off, decades later, the hidden bagpipes were brought out everywhere by old men and the hills rang out.
I see that the word for gold is surprisingly similar to Spanish and Italian: ór. Wonder which came first?
Very interesting! I had no idea it was so "new" (17th c.) in the scheme of things, but I guess it makes sense that the Industrial Revolution was involved in producing instruments. Sort of like American bluegrass-- the heart's chords are old as the hills, but the banjos and dobros needed more recent development.
Slose to St. Patrick's day (was it you?), a freeper posted this link of a Uileann solo, and wow:
Slose = Close
Migration between the islands has been going on since forever. So has intermarriage between the English and the Irish. Plenty of English folks with names like Monaghan and O’Connor and Irish people with names like Smith and Johnson.
What is now Spain was once Celtiberia. :^) Ogham is found in Spain, Portugal, and even in N Africa.
Nice! It reminds me a bit of Djivan Gasparyan’s first album (late 80s I think), “I Will Not Be Sad In This World”, performed on the Armenian duduk.
An old favorite from “the Impenetrable String Tangle”, John Renbourn (now the late John Renbourn) of Pentangle and Robin Williamson of The Incredible String Band — “Finn and the Old Man’s House”, harp and vocal by Robin, tale from the old folklore. Cuchulain got me thinkin’ about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIXgIk9SO8A
We Celts spread far and wide across the continent way back in the day.
There used to be an interesting American expat posting here from Spain, and he mentioned the Celts in Spain. I think his name was kingu. Hey, kingu, are you still around?
Nope, not an expat from Spain.
:^)
I’m sorry to have mixed things up. My old computer crashed and I’m lost without my old notes. Thanks for your polite reply.
I remember now it was “kipita” who was the expat living in Spain. Looked him up, but he hasn’t posted since 2008. No wonder my memory only went as far as “ki” – LOL!
Sounds like the kipita nick is kaputa.
LOL!!
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