Ogham and the Irish in Britain
Posted on 04/13/2021 2:21:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
"... both Irish and Welsh sources portrayed it as a tribal migration of the Irish Dessi or Deisi headed by their own king and, from the Irish viewpoint, a suitable 'expulsion' saga was adduced. The direct line of Irish rulers of Welsh Dyfed went on into the 7th and 8th centuries. An interesting mix arose; by 400 Irish and British were fully differing languages, and additionally Christians from both nations used different scripts (Latin and Ogham) for their memorials. Irish never replaced British in Wales the way it did in Scotland, but relative numerical strengths do not necessarily explain why; less obvious factors could be involved."
Wendy Davies (1982: 87) concludes that the refortification of coastal forts such as Caernarfon and Cardiff was undertaken in response to Irish raids in the fourth century. When Magnus Maximus left Britain in 388 the garrison in Caernarfon (and elsewhere) was probably depleted, making it easier for raids to turn into settlement. Davies (1982: 88) noted that 'the writings of Patrick suggest that the search for slaves encouraged the early raiders, but we cannot rule out the possibility that internal Irish problems provided the stimulus for settlement abroad - as the tradition of the expulsion of the group called Deisi, driven from Meath to Leinster, and from Leinster overseas would have us believe.'
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Ogham and the Irish in Britain
Crikey.
No wonder I’m so messed up in the head!
‘Face
;o]
It's little known, but the writing system was developed by the O'Gham family in Muckanaghederdauhaulia, Galway. It took a month to carve the town name on the corner of the "welcome to" stone.
I’ll have to put that in my Department of Useless Information file. (aka: Obscure and Arcane Trivia) You never know when I might need it for an icebreaker at a soiree. ;o]
Careful, I lie a lot. :^) It's the Irish in me. :^D
Muff, Donegal
There's also a Muff Diving Club for scuba enthusiasts.
Did they carve the stone with Ogham's razor?
Dammit, I wish I'd have thought of that, and from now I, I did. ;^)
Very punny! LOL!
‘Face
;o]
I have lots of Irish in me...(IIRC we have a common ancestor) but if I lie, my nose grows.
;o]
On some of the glacial boulders near my house, there are distinct “cup” marks.
No idea why “Indians” would have made those.
Pretty sure the boulders weren’t carried from Europe, either.
Sometimes chipmunks use them to hold the acorns they’re cracking open.
Pretty sure the chipmunks didn’t bore holes into granite, either.
;)
You still have that wacko story about the Irish in West Virginia (do the markings look like Irish script - maybe if you drank enough moonshine). My Irish faculty advisor would be proud.
Have you heard the one about the Irish in SC that were in the Upstate region when Desoto (I believe it was him) went exploring?
There’s lots of stories like that. They all get investigated. Thomas Jefferson started American archeology because of stories that the large sometimes elaborate Indian mounds were made by an unknown race. He investigated some mounds and found Indian burials.
“by 400 Irish and British were fully differing languages”?
British is now a language? I assume they’re talking about English, but in their effort to remove the word “English” and to erase the historical record, they are “Britishizing” everything.
Uilleann = elbow ... interesting, that explains the name of the Uilleann pipes.
Irish (Q-celtic) and British (P-celtic) were differing before, and this had nothing to do with the English. Odd really that the Saxons were the majority of the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain (from which they took the name much later) but the country was named after the Angles.
Interesting! Thanks.
You are in rare form today, Civ!
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