Posted on 04/09/2021 3:34:16 PM PDT by Cathi
The Oregon Health Authority said Thursday it has identified 168 COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases — when vaccinated individuals test positive for the virus — through April 2, including three deaths.
Washington Post: CDC Ramps Up scrutiny of rare post-vaccinations of "breakthrough infections."
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Shouldn’t we actually be expecting this? I mean, the vaccines don’t stop infection they just help the immune system to kill it faster. And in some percentage, they won’t help at all depending on various individual factors.
If you ask me this is a question of poor setting of expectations. When most people hear the word “vaccine” they think “immunity from infection” but that is not the reality. You can still get infected, just much more likely to be mild and avoid hospitalization. But if you test a lot, you will find a lot. Every state seems to be reporting it as “breakthrough” but I am not sure if that is really an accurate description.
As for the deaths, we’d need more info which most of these stories don’t provide. It could be related to covid or just incidental “death with covid”.
Post vaccination breakthrough or vaccine causing covid?
I view it as the latter due to the cases I have seen a month after receiving both vaccines.
Cold symptoms, reactive arthritis, strokes, pneumonia and gastrointestinal issues such as prolonged stomach pain, nausea and vomiting.
The most severe in people over 40.
Post vaccination breakthrough or vaccine causing covid?
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Vaccines causing Covid. However, since these synthetic MRNA shots are not by definition a “ vaccine “, who knows what they cause?
vac•cine văk-sēn′, văk′sēn″►
n. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen’s structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing severe infection.
n. A preparation from the cowpox virus that protects against smallpox when administered to an individual.
OR:
vaccine [vak-sēn´]
a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses, bacteria, or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration, or treatment of infectious diseases.
Forgot the important part, MRNA shots are not weakened or killed Covid virus. Pandora’s box has been opened.
Pandora’s box is an artifact in Greek mythology connected with the myth of Pandora in Hesiod’s Works and Days. In modern times an idiom has grown from it meaning “Any source of great and unexpected troubles”, or alternatively “A present which seems valuable but which in reality is a curse”.....
“If you ask me this is a question of poor setting of expectations. When most people hear the word “vaccine” they think “immunity from infection” but that is not the reality. You can still get infected, just much more likely to be mild and avoid hospitalization. But if you test a lot, you will find a lot. Every state seems to be reporting it as “breakthrough” but I am not sure if that is really an accurate description.”
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Most of the expectations regarding these vaccines which are set by the pharma companies and our corrupt public health officials have been “poor.”
People who are post-vaccine are not “test(ed) a lot” as you suggest. They usually aren’t tested at all unless symptoms occur. I expect to see significant increases in these breakthrough cases and find it interesting that the CDC has begun an investigation of them.
I think one of the biggest and most surprising examples of “poor expectations” is the way they report efficacy in these vaccine studies. Israel’s huge post vax NEJM study reported 95% efficacy which sounded so impressive. But, when you looked below the hood it turned out that of 500,000+ vaccinated and a fully matched 500,000+ unvaccinated there were 20 covid deaths in the vaccinated group and 39 covid deaths in the unvaccinated group. This amounted to a 0.0006% unvaccinated risk of death compared to a 0.0003% in the vax group.
I think you could count on one hand how many people understood this.
And when you factor in the risk from the vaccine (Israel’s “all cause mortality” soared after the vax program and is now 4 times as high as it was in 2020) it is hard to see any real risk reduction.
“Post vaccination breakthrough or vaccine causing covid?”
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Hi Doc: I don’t know the answer to that, but I have seen dozens of articles suggesting it and theorizing why it may be happening and even references to it in Pfizer’s authorization brief about their clinical trial.
And of course all you have to do is look at the charts of various countries to see a sizeable (though short lived) increase in cases once they are vaxxing in volume.
It will be interesting to see how this eventually gets explained.
No vaccine works on 100% of the population. Some people just have poor immune memory that doesn’t respond to the vaccine.
The older you are, the less robust your immune response is. I’d like to know the age cohorts of the 168 breakout cases. Are they mostly 75 and older? People with chronic disease?
My oldest daughter has poor vaccine response as a result of Lyme’s disease. She had to repeat the Hep series twice. She’s a microbiologist and must be fully vaxxed for everything.
You are referencing an outdated definition.
See here:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3948957/posts?page=44#44
And view most recent (which was modified between January 8-16 of THIS YEAR) here:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine
“most occurred in people older than 65 or with underlying health conditions.”
And there’s the obvious answer to poor immune response to the vaccine.
Why bother compounding the problem, if your older, by taking part in the experiment.
“31.3 % of the elderly had no detectable neutralizing antibodies” That’s one out of three...:-(
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.03.21251066v1
Results: While the majority of participants in both groups produced specific IgG antibody titers against SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, titers were significantly lower in elderly participants. Although the increment of antibody levels after the second immunization was higher in elderly participants, the absolute mean titer of this group remained lower than the <60 group. After the second vaccination, 31.3 % of the elderly had no detectable neutralizing antibodies in contrast to the younger group, in which only 2.2% had no detectable neutralizing antibodies.
Conclusion: Our data suggests that lower frequencies of neutralizing antibodies after BNT162b2 vaccination in the elderly population may require earlier revaccination to ensure strong immunity and protection against infection.
Ok, here is a very simple question for the OHA:
How many documented cases of reinfection occurred (in Oregon) during the same period? That is, how people who had a prior Covid infection (confirmed by a test) became infected again during the same period.
My suspicion is that the immunity conferred by ordinary infection may be stronger than that provided by vaccination.
You are referencing an outdated definition.
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You have got to be kidding. The second definition was from a medical dictionary. Changing definitions changes the truth.... changed no doubt to calm down the masses over the covid hoax.
Well then, they can't cause Covid.
168 out of how many?
The failure rate is 1%-4%. The US has administered 157 million vaccinations.
Do the math.
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