Posted on 03/14/2021 10:12:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
if you dont read the link, heres the key points:
“This is an mRNA, packaged in a fat envelope, delivered to a cell. This is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator.”
“...under CDC and FDA standards, a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.”
<< I’m leary of anything that can affect genetic makeup of cells >>
Thankfully, mRNA vaccines don’t do that. They work by instructing cells in the body how to make a protein that triggers an immune response. It doesn’t interact with or do anything to the DNA of your cells, and those cells break down and get rid of the mRNA soon after they have finished using the instructions.
I read the article. The vaccines do do what other vaccines do, they just do it differently. A little piece of mRNA is safer than a live attenuated virus if you ask me. Look at what happened with the Salk vaccine-the Cutter Incident. The live attenuated virus wasn’t inactivated properly and it ended up giving a bunch of kids polio. mRNA viruses are cheap and easy to make and are easily adapted to mutating viruses. I think you’re going to be seeing a lot more of this technology in the future.
Define “FDA Approved”. The FDA has approved these as “Emergency and Experimental” drugs, but not fully approved in a normal fashion.
Its not a vaccine. Not by the legal or the CCD/FDA’s own definitions of what they consider a vaccine.
Yes, it is. It instructs cells to develop antibodies to the spike proteins unique to the COVID-19 virus. It does not do so using de-activated components of the virus, but the end result is exactly the same - immune system production of antibodies for the virus.
End of story.
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Thank you since this is my understanding and thinking as well. I got both of the Pfizer shots at the VA and I’m not the least bit worried about, whatever you should be perhaps worried about, after receiving the shots. Life goes on and I have lived, by the grace of God, 77 going on 78 years. So, what or why worry about what may or may not happen down the road.💁
That is...quite unlikely. Typically when a virus invades a cell it starts to replicate inside the host until the host bursts open. That is, the host gets physically destroyed. But even if it weren't by the replicating virus, the presence of the virus inside the host would cause the host to sprout foreign (ie abnormal) proteins on the cell surface. The immune system would then identity these infected cells from their surface proteins and destroy them. That's typically how you recover from a cold.
But with the AstraZeneca vaccine there is a catch. The viral vector used to deliver the spike protein DNA into the host is a chimpanzee virus - specially engineered to NOT replicate when inside a host. It's job is to make the host sprout the spike proteins on its surface and let the immune system react to it. But if it's not going to replicate inside the host, I guess it's only up to the immune system to destroy the infected cell. The immune system will almost certainly (>99.9%) kill it the same way it's being primed to kill the Covid virus from a possible future infection. But what if it doesn't ? Does that mean the chimpanzee virus infected cell survives ? I know it's extremely unlikely but that's the part I am not clear on. Will have to do some research.
Okay. It was difficult to follow the differing opinions of mRNA on this thread. All I know is that traditional vaccines have worked for decades and decades. Plus, I’m going with my ex-wife (ER Nurse) recommendation about the J&J vaccine. Thanks for your input.
she was using the term fda-approved like it was a normal vaccine, she never mentioned it as experimental.
You know this is Jen Psaki, she’s spinning itmlike its totally safe BECAUSE ITS FDA APPROVED.
SHE NEVER PUT IT IN PROPER CONTEXT AS EXPERIMENTAL.
yes. i am not talking about the j&j vaccine.
i did.
the makers state it stimulates an immune response
the makers also state it wont stop you from transmitting covid to other people, however
i can’t be any clearer. its what pfizer and moderna are stating.
correct science, not political science.
So don’t get vaccinated. Simple. The whining doesn’t serve any purpose.
i’m not going to get vaccinated.
and I am going to bring up points others in the medical field bring up about it whether you like it or not.
maybe stop whining about other peoples discussions. maybe don’t read them or post to the threads then. follow your own advice.
I’m glad to hear you aren’t getting vaccinated. I have a couple of older family members who need your dose. Thanks for your kind consideration.
Thanks for showing your true personality to everyone here.
Not just legal definition. The author states its not a vaccine by the cdc and fda’s definitions.
As per it being “old” law, thats absurd. You want to ignore precedents and rulings because they’re old and you dont like them. You sound like a socialist libtard. Thats their arguments for getting rid of established laws and precedents they dont like. And further its not a podunk small court case, it was a SCOTUS level ruling/case.
I think this aspect of the AstraZeneca vaccine is what the conspiracy theorists are conflating with the mRNA vaccines. It made zero sense as mRNA has no ability to do what they were claiming. They must be getting that from how the AZ vaccine is designed, which is not a vaccine that has been given approval in the US...probably for a good reason.
The CPVID-19 Virus is a single-stranderd RNA genome. On January 10, 2020, the first SARS-CoV-2 genome sequence was released online. From that, scientists encoded the RNA strand of the COVID-19 spike protein, which is a routine procedure for those in the science of Cytology. They grew multiple copies of them by using human cell lines to reproduce millions of copies of them for the vaccine. These were used for the lipid nanoparticle (LNP)-encapsulated mRNA-based vaccine that encodes for the spike protein.
It is easy to completely misunderstand the mechanism of the mRNA vaccine. This technology is quite new on the immunology front but its development actually began 40 years ago with Hungarian-born scientist, Katalin Karikó.
Today, there is an anti-vaxxer effort spreading misunderstanding that has created a Flat Earth resistance to the vaccine. It has created a lot of misunderstanding which makes it hard to convey the real science. So, I point you to an easy to understand video, I hope you will with respond with "Eureka!"
You state.........A ‘vaccinated’ person may shed enough viruses to infect others before the antibody troops round them up.
So if a ‘vaccinated’ person, who works in a hospital, can still spread covid if they visit a home for the elderly?
That goes for both sides of the equation!
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