Posted on 01/17/2021 12:32:38 PM PST by nagant
Without challenge, Joe Biden won 306 electoral votes to Donald Trump’s 232 votes, a margin of 74 votes. Seven slates of state electors were contested totaling 94 electoral votes. Given the 74 vote Biden margin Congress and Vice President Pence would either have to switch 38 elector votes from Biden to Trump or they would have to invalidate 75 electors in order for Trump to win.
The 2020 election theft has been described as “death by a thousand cuts”. Leftist conspirators customized theft strategies to exploit weaknesses in many state election procedures, and coupled them heavily with excuses provided by the China virus. Attempting to comprehensively reconstruct the evidence from all of the thefts would be a virtually insurmountable task for which nobody was adequately equipped.
Given this virtually insurmountable task, and given the Democrat control of congress, there was a strong likelihood that congress’ vote switching would fall far short of the totals needed to reverse the electoral results.
There has been lots of well founded speculation over when Biden’s obvious age-related dementia will remove him from public office, and over exactly what roll Kamala Harris’ obvious over-ambition will play in Biden’s retirement. The best guess is that four years from now Biden will be retiring as an even more unstable president. Harris will still sit in Mike Pence’s Senate seat, and will be running for president.
Vice President Thomas Jefferson took advantage of the Constitution’s provision placing the vice president in charge of deciding which sets of presidential elector votes to open. Jefferson opened the elector envelopes which granted him the presidency. That’s easily what Kamala Harris will do, given the choice which Pence and Jefferson had.
In 2025 we could easily be looking at a self-appointed President Harris. How will opposition to this selfish-looking tactic sell in leftist-controlled public opinion if Pence had used the same strategy to reelect Trump in 2021?
You may rebut that in 2021 the reason for choosing alternate electors are a valid cure for election theft, and that in 2025 Harris’ reasons will simply be a power grab. All true, but 1) The Constitution doesn’t allow for moral judgements in deciding which elector slates to open, and 2) the leftist media has an unfair influence on the public’s application of morality in such matters.
Public opinion will decide which reasons are valid and which reasons are not. Choosing the certified electors in 2021 precludes the left’s 2025 argument that their selection of alternate electors is justified by Pence’s selection of alternate electors in 2021. In 2025 we need to remember what was purchased in 2021.
Yes, this election was stolen, but it’s taken me this long to accept the reality hidden behind the moral outrage. Not withstanding, the reasons which many supposedly conservative congressmen gave for voting to certify the state-certified electors fly in the face of this reality. That aspect requires severe condemnation.
The left is not constrained by any thoughts of maintaining consistency with what they've said / done in the past. Never.
Nor are they constrained by morality, laws, common decency, or anything else.
All Pence had to do was to return questionable slates of ballots back to the states for a reconciliation (PA had 200,000 more votes than registered voters as an example). Had he done that, the scene at the Capitol would have been avoided. If our constitution is a roadmap to hell, I suggest we get off the road immediately.
When the democrats say “by any means necessary” they mean it.
Democrats murdered Uncle Sam during the night of November 3rd 2020. Since then it’s been every man for himself and let the devil take the hindmost.
They couldn’t have done it without GOP complicity
Pence would have done well to remember that election laws are 100% delegated to the STATES.
He never had to put himself in the situation of having to pick-a-prez.
All the little weenie had to do was follow the Constitution he claims to hold so dear, send the entire mess back to the states for them to figure out with a hearty “Godspeed”.
That’s why you shoot a rabid dog in the head.
The thing we have working for us, is that we pick up 6 ev in 2024. That gives us 238. 32 short.
Exactly, instead he leaked his intention to certify the Steal *while* DJT was speaking to 500,000 pizzed off people a mile away. If that’s an example of a constitutional conservative, I want no part of it.
Plenty of evidence was presented to many more than three wise monkeys whgo didn't want to see or hear it
Indeed. Pence was faced with conflicting/competing EC vote slates resulting from voter irregularities/fraud challenges. It would have been 100% constitutional for him to remand the EC votes back to the respective states for reconciliation.
Because of the theft and we were not able to contest the outcome we will never win a Presidential race again or statewide race...
Yes, remanding back to the states was the right thing to do and it would have avoided the cluster that happened. I am so weary of people draping themselves with the constitution, never having read it or understanding that’s open to interpretation six ways from Sunday.
Purchased? Oh, did they spend their 30 pieces of silver?
REVIEW THE GEORGIA SENATE ELECTION RESULTS
Throughout this time what really bothers me is this where The loss of the majority in the Senate should also be a chief concern to conservatives;
There were a series of fraudulent voting charges here. Were they enforced and corrected before this election took place ? If they weren’t is not a review called for ?
Assign prosecutors to personally canvass and investigate. Check if military actually voted by asking them. Identify all voters by checking on legal age their residency and citizenship. If found they do not qualify charge Illegals including state visitors known as snowbirds also include any technical computer fraudulent Italian programming testimony when presenting to the court and get these election results tossed. Try and get it done SAP before the 20th
IMHO, the sackcloth and ashes routine is unwarranted. Trump will get to finish the job that Bannon got him to start - fire all the GOP incumbents opposed to the Trump agenda during the primary process. He’ll then have people who owe him when he returns to the White House in 2024.
You may think this is far-fetched and whistling past the graveyard. But there are solid historical reasons for optimism. Let’s assume the Democrats’ basic premise is true, i.e. that Trump lost fair and square. Trump’s loss wasn’t terrible - a couple of hundred thousand votes short in the swing states that decide the White House race. This is in the face of two outlier events - a mass casualty pandemic and the resultant economic depression representing the worst downturn since the Great Depression.
The Democrats expected a complete sweep of the states, both at the White House and Congressional levels. FDR got a 413 electoral vote victory margin. Biden’s was 74. The 1932 House elections gave the Democrats a 196-seat margin, vs the ~12-seat margin they got in 2020. The 1932 Senate elections moved the Democrats to a 22-seat margin, vs the 1-seat margin (thanks to the VP tie breaker vote) they just got after the 2021 GA runoffs. This was a blue wave a toddler could safely paddle in, not a tsunami.
If you accept the Democratic premise that Trump lost by 7m votes, that’s a Biden popular vote margin of 4%. FDR’s victory margin over Hoover? 28%.
That’s why they’re trying to prevent Trump from running again. He’s no Herbert Hoover, whose political career was over the day the results came in. The Dems aren’t afraid Trump will get the 2024 GOP nomination and lose in the general. They’re worried that one hiccup or other before 2024 will send Trump back to the White House with commanding GOP majorities, but this time cleansed of the never-Trumpers who gave him so much trouble in his first term.
If Trump intends to run again, the interval from now until presidential season should* involve the installation of Republicans who support the Trump agenda in the midterms, and the removal of those who don’t. Bannon’s quest to populate elected offices with Trump supporters needs to resume, so that when Trump re-enters the White House, his agenda is ready to go from Day 1.
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_Senate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
You could also compare the numbers to those from the Spanish Flu election of 1920. Something similar happened, except this time, the incumbent Democrats lost big, with the GOP getting a 2/3 majority in the House. They would probably have gotten the same thing in the Senate, if every seat was up for grabs, rather than just 1/3. Point being that the pollsters were presumably modeling their blue wave poll results on 1920 and 1932, which were disastrous for the incumbents and resulted in ~300 and up electoral vote victory margins (i.e. winner - loser EV’s). Now that was a mandate. Whereas Biden had a ~70 EV margin, based on 1-2% popular vote margins in the swing states being litigated over. He’s skating on very thin ice.
* The big question is obviously whether Trump will run. Given what we’ve seen of Trump’s decision-making process, maybe he himself doesn’t know the answer.
The thing about such a comeback is that it’s so rare, it would be another superlative to add to his record - a real feather in his cap. Health permitting, I don’t see him not running. Fred Trump only began displaying signs of dementia at age 86, dying at age 93, so it would not surprise me if the Donald were physically up to the challenges of another term in the White House.
Public opinion will decide which reasons are valid...
The courts should have decided but they were bought an paid for but not by the publicans.
Biden is going to legalize the illegals (they’re admitting to 11 million, but there are likely at least 30-40 million). Soon afterwards, they’re going to be made into citi go 85% of those 18 or over who vote, will vote Democrat. Turnout there will be heavy, and reinforced with cash from all of us and our grandchildren’s future earnings. They will be incentivized to move to purple states, moving them to the Dem column.
Future elections won’t matter, even without cheating - and that won’t be diminishing except in the world we inhabit when we sleep.
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