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a hypothetical scenario for the beginning of a civil war
me | 12/17/2020 | me

Posted on 12/17/2020 7:53:39 AM PST by SteveH

this is a hypothetical scenario, about how a civil war might start, which has been lurking in the back of my mind lately. i do not think it is the worst case scenario but it is still very scary and so of course i hope none of it happens. however by way of illustration i include some financial details along with the larger context of a situation which imho could in theory unravel relatively quickly-- basically before most people and institutions can react to protect their investments.

now through jan. 17th - trump continues to test the boundaries, but gains little or no further traction with the government embedded deep state. somehow, his 5d chess moves may have been insufficient to overcome the deep state election fraud and fraud upon the courts. The legislatures are deadlocked. for whatever reason, perhaps to avoid bloodshed, trump declines to declare martial law. in what is apparently becoming the last week of his presidency, trump makes one final effort directly to the american people, calling for a massive pro-american rally in Washington DC on jan. 19th.

jan. 19th - 10 million people show up in Washington DC in support of trump. it is a peaceful celebration. at the end of the day, people return to their homes all across the nation. trump pardons his family, pence, and pence's family, but not himself.

jan. 20th - midnight- trump leaves the White House, flies to florida, and determines to stay out of politics for the time being. biden/harris administration takes over the White House.

jan 20th - 2000 people show up for biden/harris inauguration. the contrast in support by the american people becomes undeniable, even to the MSM. The MSM dutifully broadcast patently fake crowd footage from 2008 and 2012, and pretend that it is 2020 footage. no one is fooled. biden/harris and their handlers panic. a 2020 version of the reichstag fire is set in motion. a few innocent biden supporters are "victimized" by "right wing provocateurs" (who may in actuality be deep state actors, though any hint of this possibility is carefully avoided by biden/harris and the MSM).

jan 21 - as a result of a so-called "right wing attack" on biden/harris supporter victims, biden/harris and handlers declare indefinite martial law in all 50 states and DC. additionally, biden declares friday jan 22 as a "bank holiday" in which banks are closed. biden declares trump to be a traitor and orders his location and capture.

jan 22 - banks are closed. thousands of pro american people start to march towards DC again, of their own accord. possession of gold, silver and other precious metals is prohibited by biden executive order, and must be turned into banks for federal reserve notes when the banks open. the stock and commodities markets shut down. trump and family disappears.

jan 23rd - a bigger demonstration-- 20 million people show up in DC. the demonstration is peaceful, but unauthorized, and martial law and lethal force are used to disperse the peaceful crowd. thousands of casualties. MSM blame the peaceful pro american protesters. biden/harris panic again and extend the bank holiday indefinitely, stock and commodities markets to remain down.

jan 24- insurrection across the usa against federal facilities. big swing state cities and DC are targeted. all business and all transportation is shut down indefinitely. at midnight EST, the civilian internet is turned off across the nation.

jan 25- banks, markets, businesses, and all roads remain closed until further notice. full scale war breaks out. banks join federal facilities as targets of military operations. power to all major cities is cut off. china attacks taiwan.

6 months to 5 years later-- unconditional surrender terms reached; one side wins and the other side loses.

again this is a hypothetical case. the damages described need to be weighted by its probability of occurrence. However, i just do not know what that probability of occurrence is. We know the deep state controls much of the government and the MSM, and is not afraid to abuse the public trust. What we do not yet know is at what point the deep state is willing to back off and give up when confronted by honest citizens asserting their natural rights. I have no firm answers except that it might not be a bad idea to be prepared for all reasonably imaginable possibilities.

perhaps by discussing the unthinkable, we can somehow figure out a way to avoid the unthinkable.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: anotherstupidvanity; civilwar; flogyourself; hitchhiketohollywood; nocapitalization; nogrammar; nologic; nopunctuation; vain; vanity
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To: Starboard

That’s what I based it on; They made precedent for ignoring laws that are unliked, sow the wind...


41 posted on 12/17/2020 9:29:22 AM PST by ferret_airlift
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To: SteveH

My hope is instead of taking the usual AF1 plane ride home, he should use his own plane and give a “Flying Digit” to Wasted(Washed-out), DC!


42 posted on 12/17/2020 9:29:23 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Winning not whining!)
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To: GOYAKLA
My hope is instead of taking the usual AF1 plane ride home, he should use his own plane and give a “Flying Digit” to Wasted(Washed-out), DC!

I thought Trump had talked about holding a rally and announcing his candidacy for 2024 at the exact moment that Biden is sworn in? If he does then he'd better get the 757 out of mothballs.

43 posted on 12/17/2020 9:31:10 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: SteveH

Snore. Trumps going to win. Put yer crumpled panties away


44 posted on 12/17/2020 9:32:59 AM PST by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Trump winning express ! Yea haw ! Trump Pence II! Save America again )
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To: kjam22

Replacing the talking mouthpieces with patriots to broadcast facts would be of benefit.


45 posted on 12/17/2020 9:33:52 AM PST by going hot
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To: SteveH

Short of door to door firearm confiscation or the end of entitlement payments, there is no chance of an armed conflict.


46 posted on 12/17/2020 9:36:26 AM PST by TexasGunLover
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To: MCEscherHammer

Hope to join in before I’m too old.Got lots of old ammo to recycle


47 posted on 12/17/2020 9:51:56 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Starboard

“It would be an astonishing feat to amass even 1 million people.”
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If Trump called for it, he would amass more than 1 million...

Too bad I would not see you there...


48 posted on 12/17/2020 10:08:30 AM PST by MCEscherHammer
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To: unlearner

“A whole article on a topic but can’t be bothered to use some capitalization.”

it’s an homage to e e Cummings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings


49 posted on 12/17/2020 10:10:48 AM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: MCEscherHammer

If Trump called for it, he would amass more than 1 million...

Too bad I would not see you there...

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Its amusing you would say that because I attended countless Tea Party events and donated a lot of money to support them. I wasn’t able to attend the recent rally in DC but my son went in my place. How many rallies did you go to?

Part of my skepticism stems from recognizing how hard it was to get people out to support the Tea Party. Many sunshine patriots seemed to always have other personal things that took priority over demonstrating for their freedom.


50 posted on 12/17/2020 10:21:57 AM PST by Starboard
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To: waterhill

Checkout Palmetto State Armory.


51 posted on 12/17/2020 10:45:31 AM PST by brutusman
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To: Alter Kaker
You sir are a crackpot. War is hell. Civil wars are the worst wars.

We are looking at a slow and horrible decline of the entire nation. At the end of it, we'll be as bad as Europe, except with free-speech being regulated by private companies, banks controlling who can and can't use their payment processors, Google deciding who can or can't get advertisement or funding for their websites, with millions of new Democrat voters flooding in from the borders.

It's either secession or we can just stop pretending that America exists anymore. Unless, of course, Trump pulls a Hudini at the last minute.

52 posted on 12/17/2020 10:49:39 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Magnum44; Alter Kaker
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people."

-- John Stuart Mill

53 posted on 12/17/2020 10:53:34 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

My scenario: Trump and his wife and son are Assassinated by a demented follower who is himself killed by Washington Police. It will be blamed on Russian Mafia. New Crackdown on any gathering due to Covid. Now plague starts. Only approved GOP will be permitted to run. Economy staggers under new Pro-China restrictions. US car business relocates to China. Navy is dismantled as we start to fight wars in Africa and south America. Don Jr. Runs for President and is assassinated. Biden wins re-election. New constitution approved and new American Anthem approved “This land is Your Land.” All Churches must pay taxes. Internet taxed 5% on sales to help the faltering economy. China takes over Viet Nam, and Cambodia. Bad Guys win.


54 posted on 12/17/2020 11:08:31 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: SteveH
My current theory is that it's going to take a spark. Something like the Boston Massacre.
If it's going to happen, it will have to happen soon because forums like this are being monitored and will be controlled.
Organizing and mobilizing any revolt will be nearly impossible after about 6 months because the dems will steal the senate and load the courts. They will outlaw guns, which will be ignored by most states, but the already difficult supply of firearms and ammo is going to get SUPER difficult when sales are outlawed.

No one wants to be the person named ‘crackpot terrorist’ for trying to be a true patriot. There are so many men who would act but don't want to be tomorrow's Tim McVeigh. Without the right spark, we die a slow death.

What is that spark?
Trump's final tweet - “Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country”
A direct attempt on the President's life (or his family/inner circle. -— If anything happens to Kayleigh all bets are off.)
Democrats start mass arrests of gun owners -— anywhere.
Kyle Rittenhouse is murdered.

You get the picture, the spark would have to be struck to mobilize the passion of people who have become accustom to waiting.

To say we are lazy is to ignore what we are going through. “Wait for the kraken” - “Wait for Texas” - “Wait for the 14th” - “Wait for the 18th” etc... It's exhausting.

55 posted on 12/17/2020 11:14:14 AM PST by Outlaw76 (Free Men don't ask permission.)
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To: brutusman; Sapwolf

Sapwolf, I think brutusman meant this for you (Palmetto State Armory).

I am a DPMS/Panther Arms kind of guy.


56 posted on 12/17/2020 11:18:57 AM PST by waterhill (`)
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To: SteveH

We are in a state of such severe polarization of values that a struggle to the death is inevitable. There will be no reconciliation or compromise. One side will have to win.


57 posted on 12/17/2020 11:25:38 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: central_va
John Stuart Mill

Why am I getting lessons on the cost/benefit of war from someone who never served in uniform?

58 posted on 12/17/2020 11:29:35 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: SteveH

I don’t see how a 1865 type civil war can happen. Back then, it was easier for people to move to relatives on either side of the conflict and a distinct Mason-Dixon line drawn. With 330million people, and states mixed with Dems and Reps now, I don’t see how defined sides can happen. Seems to me it would be a very messy, house-to-house, neighborhood to neighborhood war of attrition resulting in proportionately more deaths than CW1

(also, re biden’s innaug - he knows there won’t be a lot of attendees, so to hide that, they are going ‘virtual’ with limited guests)


59 posted on 12/17/2020 11:30:39 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: SteveH

Honestly? It’s too cold for a war to start.

Not enough people would show up.


60 posted on 12/17/2020 11:44:24 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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