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Secession Discussion (Vanity)
vanity | 12/11/2020 | SoConPubbie

Posted on 12/11/2020 5:10:28 PM PST by SoConPubbie

So, since this seems to be on a lot of our minds, I thought we might start discussing what it looks like, if it is possible, how would we get it done.


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To: DoughtyOne
If states secede, they do so without military, nuclear weapons, or any sector of our nation’s five branches of the military.

I would diagree.

States that secede takes the military assests located within their boundaries with them.

Minus a hail-mary last minute miracle, the Democrats are going to complete the corruption of our governmental system in four years making it impossible for a Republican, much less a Trump-like leader to become President or for the GOP to control either legislative chamber.

We cannot, we must not sit back and assume we can work within the current scheme of things, that time is past.
81 posted on 12/11/2020 6:33:04 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

>>> You are correct that God is way ahead of us, but he expects us to act with the tools that he has given us.

Well, at this point, prayer is your best one.

He’s got this.

Question becomes, do you have Him?

If Biden is actually sworn in, then my guess is that rapture comes 4 years earlier than expected.


82 posted on 12/11/2020 6:33:18 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Vermont Lt

Re: All of the folks on FR act like they can’t beat them at their own system. And with that attitude, you won’t.
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What am I missing here? Do you really think you can out lie, cheat and steal better than the traitorous Rats?

They are in the process of showing the world that laws and honest elections are for losers. And they and the Chicoms are all laughing all the way to their great global reset.


83 posted on 12/11/2020 6:33:25 PM PST by Perseverando (Antifa, BLM, Libs, Progs, Islamonazis, Statists, Commies, DemoKKKrats: It's a Godlessness disorder.)
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To: KobraKai

I would agree.

Some type of low-tech approach is necessary.


84 posted on 12/11/2020 6:35:25 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: TomGuy

That’s what I hope this initial thread will start to thrash out.

We need to do something constructive.

The current system and approach is irredeemably broken as evidenced by the massive fraud the Democrats just got away with.


85 posted on 12/11/2020 6:37:44 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Safrguns
If Biden is actually sworn in, then my guess is that rapture comes 4 years earlier than expected.

Where the Rapture is concerned, God's timing is set in concrete and only he knows the time, and History has been populated with much more severe and evil events than this election, no matter how much it hits home with us. Furthermore, I have always been of the mind to focus on the delivery of the Gospel over worrying about the Rapture as I have no control over that and no way to know when it is coming. Being a part of the process of saving men's souls seems to be the appropriate use of my time.

And yes, Prayer is the most important thing to pursue, but we are being irresponsible if we, as Christians, do not continue to pursue Liberty and Justice for all with all of the Tools left at our disposal by our Almighty Father.
86 posted on 12/11/2020 6:46:57 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
In my town we’ll blow up the 2 bridges on either side of town and isolate. Problem is there’s like 7 churches in a population of less than 900. Nobody is going to agree to anything.

You have to organize starting with your family.

Then friends.

Then neighbors.

My experience trying to organize tells me anybody who is capable of doing something isn’t going to tell you anything and that we will shatter. It will be every man for himself until we suffer enough to get over ourselves. Then we might come back together and start creating no go zones. Just like a virus, prevention is better than remedy. But my observation is that we’re choosing to go through hell rather than avoid it.

87 posted on 12/11/2020 6:48:24 PM PST by conservativeimage (Law and order provides the convenience to live an honest life.)
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To: conservativeimage

Well, we have to start somewhere.

We, as God-fearing conservatives need to start talking about the solution and planning on how we go about making it happen.

It takes a lot of dialog.


88 posted on 12/11/2020 6:51:52 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: conservativeimage

All I know is that the current system is irretrievably broken as evidenced by the wholesale cheating/voter fraud the Democrats just got away with.

We need a solution and its time to start figuring it out.


89 posted on 12/11/2020 6:53:15 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

>>> Where the Rapture is concerned, God’s timing is set in concrete and only he knows the time, and History has been populated with much more severe and evil events than this election

I was referring to my own speculation and conclusions based on biblical prophesies which suggest that we are well within the birth pangs Jesus referred to. I have admittedly put a lot of weight into Kim Clement’s prophetic claims that Trump would be a two term president... I also don’t see how Israel achieves the peace conditions described in the beginning of Jacob’s trouble, without Trump at the helm. Biden will bring that all down overnight. This is why I say it will be within the next year or so under Biden, or during Trump’s last year or year or so after that if he prevails.

>>> as Christians, do not continue to pursue Liberty and Justice for all with all of the Tools left at our disposal by our Almighty Father.

What tools are you referring to? What are you suggesting?


90 posted on 12/11/2020 6:58:40 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: doragsda

Yes and the ANTI-federalist papers argued that all that we see happening now, will happen.

There were THREE of the constitutional convention participants who did not sign onto it. OF Those three, one was actually the father of the original documents that created this constitution, George Mason.

Three of those present (George Mason and Edmund Randolph of Virginia and Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts) refused to sign what they considered a flawed document.


91 posted on 12/11/2020 7:00:32 PM PST by crz
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To: SoConPubbie

Oh.. scratch my 2nd question... just realized you started this thread, so I already know what you are suggesting.

To that I say this....

If our representatives don’t have the balls to stand up against fraud, then what the hell makes you think they will have the balls to stand up with a gun in hand ready to die for a newly formed nation???


92 posted on 12/11/2020 7:02:01 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Berlin_Freeper
We might not advocate or condone, but we certainly can recognize.

Did you ever wonder how it is possible for a President to have the legal authority to launch every nuclear tipped missile in our inventory when only Congress can declare war?

The President can't declare war.

But he can recognize it and respond appropriately...

93 posted on 12/11/2020 7:12:12 PM PST by null and void (My President is a Person Of Color, Orange is a Color...)
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To: Vermont Lt

Nonresponsive.

Yes, I have studied politics. I have a Master’s Degree in National Security Affairs and Intelligence from the Naval Postgraduate School. I was an intelligence officer for many years. I’ve read all the books. I’ve met all the people. I’ve done all the things. I’ve had all the access, digraphs and trigraphs out the wazoo.

You’re offering platitudes without answering my questions. Let me tell you about the books. The books are great on theory, but theory rarely survives first contact. You are the one fighting the last war. The deep state has changed the rules. They started decades ago and now they’ve perfected their dirty work. Acting under the system we have, by “recruiting new candidates” and “working on a better platform” is naive nonsense.

These people are counting on people like you to continue to play the game, even though it’s rigged and even though you know it’s rigged.

Unlike some here, I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but what we’ve been doing does not work. And doing more of it is not only futile, it plays right into their hands.


94 posted on 12/11/2020 7:15:22 PM PST by elenvee ("...against all enemies, foreign and domestic..")
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To: Major Matt Mason

That’s my preference as well.


95 posted on 12/11/2020 7:29:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I'm calling for terrorist and criminal reform. Defund them now.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

So do I. I’d still hate to see them have to go up against the
U. S. Military.


96 posted on 12/11/2020 7:30:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I'm calling for terrorist and criminal reform. Defund them now.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Suggested reading

Resistance to Tyranny by Joseph Martino

The Preparedness Manual Here Start on page 290 with Lessons from Argentina's Economic Collapse By Ferfal

97 posted on 12/11/2020 7:36:45 PM PST by conservativeimage (Law and order provides the convenience to live an honest life.)
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To: elenvee

Honestly, if you have done all that and still don’t get it—you are the reason the country is so f’d up.

If you cannot see the way back—with all that experience—there is t much you can learn.


98 posted on 12/11/2020 8:14:20 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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To: elenvee

Your background is valuable.

Can you identify what needs to be done to get this country back on track?

I realize this is a very general question but I would like to get a conversation going.


99 posted on 12/11/2020 8:21:49 PM PST by Chgogal (#StopBiden'sBananaRepublic. )
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To: SoConPubbie

It’s a bit early for this. The loss today is out of context


100 posted on 12/11/2020 8:26:31 PM PST by Professional ( )
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