Zelenko Zinc Hydroxychloroquine Doxy or Zith for advanced COVID cases

Free Republic ^ | 11.18.20 | Freedom56v2

[Freedom56v2]

Daughter's friend's mom is in ICU with COVID-19. She is not on ventilator, getting oxygen but going to use feeding tube because when she eats, oxygen goes down. She is early 60s...I don't know of any co-morbidities.

She is too late to use Rendesevir...that could have been used 10 days ago...

Anyone know if Zelenko protocol can be used for a late-case but prior to ventilator...

Any other thoughts or suggestions??

AND PRAYERS FOR ANN and HER FAMILY VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!

[FreedomPoster]

Doggie heartworm meds in the U.S. are such a racket. One of the more overpriced meds on the planet.

[Freedom56v2]

LOL you are a trendsetter, or there are a lot of lurkers here!

Can I ask how much you bought? Are yo using as a preventative or treatment if you contract it?

[Freedom56v2]

Will look at the lozenges...We like the Walmart Equate “Cold Therapy Zinc lozenges” but they never seem to be available for home delivery which is what I am doing with Walmart.

Will look at the Life Extension program of shipping. I di d get some of the Cytokine Storm supplement you recommended.

Need to put on “To Do List” organize all the supplements/products I have purchased since Feb!

[FreedomPoster]

Maybe?

Just one of the 6-packs (3 dual packs) at that link.

Maybe and yes, to the latter two questions.

Heck, I’d been thinking of buying some and figuring out how to dose it down for the dogs. As I said earlier, heartworm pills for dogs are a ridiculous racket. One of those $4 tubes has enough Ivermectin for approximately 75 monthly dog prophylactic doses. They want like $75 for 6 months worth in pill form at the vet.

[Freedom56v2]

Thanks!

[old-ager]

Since I am not an MD, it is not possible for me to give medical advice to anyone.

This open discussion is a lot better than the way “professional” groups clamp down on information!

Only smart people are here, generally, and they are not going to do something stupid. But it’s up to them!

If I were trying ivermectin (which I do not need right now) or even a new rx, if I’m not really in an emergency, I am going to try a partial dose and see how I feel for a few hours.

Lots of info out there folks! Find out if you are one of the few people who would be badly affected by any experimental substance. Then decide!

Google is not your friend, but other web search sites can be your friend.

[silverleaf]

Many folks understand that in this censorship- prone era, where social media is patrolled by haters of conservatism, websites and forums can be dinged or worse for charges of giving unlicensed “ medical advice”

Esp about covid therapeutics

Hence the caution of providing disclaimers.

Even MD’s do this on their forums

[RummyChick]

the lozenges are huge . tastes like candy. i just let it sit in my mouth and slowly dissolve

[old-ager]

Yes, every MD here should either not disclose that fact or issue a very strong disclaimer, for the day that they are “doxxed.”

[Ragnar54]

Calcifediol (fast acting vitamin D) requires a prescription. I am not likely to need it, since I take 10,000 IU/day of ordinary vitamin D (cholecalciferol). However, if I started having flu-like symptoms before my calcifediol prescription arrived, I would use the "vitamin D hammer". Of course, none of this is to be construed as medical advice.

There is an article on NIH by a Canadian physician (Dr. Gerry Schwalfenberg) who works in nursing homes. He has developed a protocol for reducing flu like illness among his patients. This should be tried against the corona virus in US hospitals:

"A colleague of mine and I have introduced vitamin D at doses that have achieved greater than 100 nmol/L in most of our patients for the past number of years, and we now see very few patients in our clinics with the flu or influenzalike illness. In those patients who do have influenza, we have treated them with the vitamin D hammer, as coined by my colleague. This is a 1-time 50 000 IU dose of vitamin D3 or 10 000 IU 3 times daily for 2 to 3 days. The results are dramatic, with complete resolution of symptoms in 48 to 72 hours. One-time doses of vitamin D at this level have been used safely and have never been shown to be toxic. We urgently need a study of this intervention. The cost of vitamin D is about a penny for 1000 IU, so this treatment costs less than a dollar."

Vitamin D for influenza

There is a presentation by Dr. Robert P Heaney on the healthful effects of adequate vitamin D levels:

Vitamin D Sunshine Optimal Health: Putting it all Together

There is an article by Beata M. Gruber-Bzura on NIH that describes the mechanisms by which vitamin D works with the immune system:

"There are a few arguments which support vitamin D as a likely candidate for the abovementioned “seasonal stimulus”. In summary, most important is the 1α,25(OH)2D-stimulated production of AMPs, such as defensin and cathelicidin. As mentioned, these endogenous antibiotics act directly, destroying not only microbial pathogens, but also viruses, including the influenza virus [24,48,49]. The production of cathelicidin is dose-dependent on the serum level of 1α,25(OH)2D."

Vitamin D and Influenza—Prevention or Therapy?

[Freedom56v2]

Thank you for this information.

Question: How does Calcifediol (fast acting vitamin D) differ from the D-3 I buy from Swanson Vitamins?

[Freedom56v2]

Thanks for the description.

I will be ordering some :)

[RummyChick]

be sure to read the reviews..not all people like them

[Ragnar54]

Calcifediol

"Calcifediol, also known as calcidiol, 25-hydroxycholecalciferol, or 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 (abbreviated 25(OH)D3),[1] is a prehormone that is produced in the liver by hydroxylation of vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) by the enzyme cholecalciferol 25-hydroxylase. This metabolite is measured, together with 25(OH)D2 (ercalcifediol), to determine an individual's vitamin D status.[2][3] At a typical daily intake of vitamin D3, its full conversion to calcifediol takes approximately 7 days.[4] "

Cholecalciferol or Calcifediol in the Management of Vitamin D Deficiency

" In summary, the form of vitamin D of choice for exogenous supplementation should be cholecalciferol, with calcifediol reserved for patients with liver failure or severe intestinal malabsorption syndromes."

[Freedom56v2]

Will do. Thanks again.

[ponygirl]

I have seen my horses foam that paste around in their mouths and it does not look pleasant. Isn’t there a capsule form?

[ponygirl]

I put powders in smoothies. I take so many powders that I measure them out in the smallest Ball canning jars so I have a week supply on hand ready to just dump into my smoothie. The powders I take include unsweetened whey protein, Vital Proteins collagen powder, Moringa leaf powder, ground flax seed, Maca root and cacao nibs. I just ordered the bulk EGCG powder and will add that also. (My naturopath has been trying to get me to drink green tea anyway and I hate green tea.)

[UnwashedPeasant]

"I have seen my horses foam that paste around in their mouths and it does not look pleasant. Isn’t there a capsule form?"

There are pill versions for dogs and for people, but both probably require prescription. I heard from one source that the apple-flavored horse paste tastes good.

[silverleaf]

Approved for use by FDA but only in combo with Remdesivir which is increasingly looking useless, and only given in hospital

Someones investment must be propped up

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eli-lilly-baricitinib-gets-fda-054039639.html

[ponygirl]

Good idea! You could take that paste and mix it in with ground beef... make little meatballs and freeze them. It’s basically what those dog chews they sell at the vet are.