Skip to comments.The Sandman Writer Neil Gaiman Explains Why Franchises Like Star Wars And Star Trek Have Lost Significant Portions Of Their Fan Bases
Posted on 10/27/2020 1:49:21 PM PDT by tbw2
The Sandman and American Gods author Neil Gaiman recently pointed out the obvious that franchises risk alienating their fans if they dont stick to the source material.
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The Sandman Writer Neil Gaiman Explains Why Franchises Like Star Wars And Star Trek Have Lost Significant Portions Of Their Fan Bases
In the original Captain Kirk blasted Klingons when they got out of line.
Picard talked to them, while Counselor Troy sensed their feelings.
And it just keeps getting worse.
I enjoy the original Star Trek episodes. The show tried to envision a world where people were tolerant and people were comfortable being who they are. The politically correct busy bodies and the social justice warriors would hate such a world. I imagine it is only a matter of time that they ban older shows and movies - they already are banning things, actually.
"Well yeah, In the original Captain Kirk blasted Klingons when they got out of line. Picard talked to them, while Counselor Troy sensed their feelings. And it just keeps getting worse."
Exactly! I've watched Star Trek TOS episodes over and over again but I can't sit through a single episode of TNG and its successors.
It's like O'Sullivan's Law: any entertainment that is not expressly action based becomes a soap opera over time.
I love Neil Gaiman’s books. ‘The Ocean at the End of the Lane’ is a favorite.
First mistake any of these series made? Selling themselves to @#$%^&! Disney!
Got woke, when broke. Abandoned the story and lore that has made them what they were for decades. The stuff they are making now had it been the first would not have continued on for decades and would have soon been forgotten.
Daisy Ridley spilled beans recently on what was obvious - there was no storyline or plan to tell a story in the latest Star Wars trilogy - just made it up as they went along.
I’ve been watching Enterprise some on Netflix. It’s closer to TOS than TNG. They invented a new alien species to have a fight to the death with. T’Pol is the Vulcan science officer and while she’s not as good an actor as Nimoy, she’s way easier on the eyes. :-))
I’m just so sick of fantasy. I was not a big fan when Star Wars came out. Just ok, I never wanted to see it for the rest of my life in continuing episodes.
Also, let’s face it. Science is kind of proving that this stuff is just that, fantasy. Nearby space, and I say that loosely, light years are not really nearby but we have seen so far it is largely devoid of life like on this planet and like it or not that is the way it is.
That is Star Whore ... oops Wars! Star Trek was Desilu Studios (Desi & Lucy Arnez) which was CBS which is Paramount which was Viacom and is now (2020) ViacomCBS (and still stinks!)
Main Problem - doomed to fail for me - No real heroes, Bad guys must be good guys, Good guys have to be bad guys deep down. Never feel good for too long because you know what is coming eventually...
Exactly! I’ve watched Star Trek TOS episodes over and over again but I can’t sit through a single episode of TNG and its successors.
The one successor Star Trek show I really like is Star Trek - Deep Space Nine. Good ensemble cast and lots of interesting plots. And who doesn’t like the Ferengi?!
Honestly the problem isn’t that the new Star Trek series have been too “woke”. The original Star Trek was quite revolutionary in the way it tackled issues of race and politics, but it did so with such artistry and skill that even if you didn’t agree with whatever point Gene Roddenberry was trying to put across the show was still a blast to watch.
This is quite a contrast to “Star Trek Discovery”, which feels like having a Bernie supporting high schooler read pamphlets to you with a few effects thrown in. Same with the Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars movies.
The wokeness ain’t the problem, the mediocre storytelling and writing is.
You can see how the characters change and grow in the series but they also stay true. The change and growth are organic.
The problem with the changes made in most Franchises is that they are change for the sake of change or just sheer laziness.
They have a sort of story but don't want to world build or populate that world. So they rip off the world someone else built.
There were some good books written about the New Republic era and attempts at a revival of the Empire. Why couldn't they have used some of those as plot outlines?
Instead they messed up Luke and Leia and killed off Han to replace them mostly with characters holding little interest for me and plots that made no sense.
Went woke and got broke.
Kind of like I don’t read new comic books any more because of writers like Neil Gaiman; but the broken clock is right on this.
The Timothy Zahn books were excellent. Even set Luke up with Mara Jade... Was looking forwards to that...
But... Nope... We get Mary-Sue Palpatine and Emo Vader...
The new Dune movie changing Liet to a woman, Capitalism is bad and the environmental messaging... going to ruin that one.
Wheel of Time series on Amazon... Awesome and diverse books, but not "woke" enough so they have ruined the characters with casting and are changing things to be more "relevant"... Including much more gay sex...
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