The Sandman Writer Neil Gaiman Explains Why Franchises Like Star Wars And Star Trek Have Lost Significant Portions Of Their Fan Bases
https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/10/16/the-sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-explains-why-franchises-like-star-wars-and-star-trek-have-lost-significant-portions-of-their-fan-bases/
Well yeah,
In the original Captain Kirk blasted Klingons when they got out of line.
Picard talked to them, while Counselor Troy sensed their feelings.
And it just keeps getting worse.
I enjoy the original Star Trek episodes. The show tried to envision a world where people were tolerant and people were comfortable being who they are. The politically correct busy bodies and the social justice warriors would hate such a world. I imagine it is only a matter of time that they ban older shows and movies - they already are banning things, actually.
I love Neil Gaiman’s books. ‘The Ocean at the End of the Lane’ is a favorite.
https://www.amazon.com/Ocean-End-Lane-Novel-ebook/dp/B009NFHF0Q
First mistake any of these series made? Selling themselves to @#$%^&! Disney!
Got woke, when broke. Abandoned the story and lore that has made them what they were for decades. The stuff they are making now had it been the first would not have continued on for decades and would have soon been forgotten.
Daisy Ridley spilled beans recently on what was obvious - there was no storyline or plan to tell a story in the latest Star Wars trilogy - just made it up as they went along.
I’m just so sick of fantasy. I was not a big fan when Star Wars came out. Just ok, I never wanted to see it for the rest of my life in continuing episodes.
Also, let’s face it. Science is kind of proving that this stuff is just that, fantasy. Nearby space, and I say that loosely, light years are not really nearby but we have seen so far it is largely devoid of life like on this planet and like it or not that is the way it is.
Honestly the problem isn’t that the new Star Trek series have been too “woke”. The original Star Trek was quite revolutionary in the way it tackled issues of race and politics, but it did so with such artistry and skill that even if you didn’t agree with whatever point Gene Roddenberry was trying to put across the show was still a blast to watch.
This is quite a contrast to “Star Trek Discovery”, which feels like having a Bernie supporting high schooler read pamphlets to you with a few effects thrown in. Same with the Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars movies.
The wokeness ain’t the problem, the mediocre storytelling and writing is.
You can see how the characters change and grow in the series but they also stay true. The change and growth are organic.
The problem with the changes made in most Franchises is that they are change for the sake of change or just sheer laziness.
They have a sort of story but don't want to world build or populate that world. So they rip off the world someone else built.
There were some good books written about the New Republic era and attempts at a revival of the Empire. Why couldn't they have used some of those as plot outlines?
Instead they messed up Luke and Leia and killed off Han to replace them mostly with characters holding little interest for me and plots that made no sense.
Went woke and got broke.
Kind of like I don’t read new comic books any more because of writers like Neil Gaiman; but the broken clock is right on this.
It is because failed writers would rather steal someone’s else’s IP than create their own.
As a result, I am buying more dead tree books in preparation for the day when Bozos decides to rewrite all ebooks to his liking
They start out good and then go off the rails and change what people liked about them in the first place.
It seems that they always trying to out PC and CG each other and the last episode.
No thanks.
I like stories as a kind of escape from reality. I don’t want all the current issues shoved in my face all the time in an effort indoctrinate me to the latest groupthink.
I don’t know how much input Neil Gaiman had on the American Gods TV series, but it featured absolutely disgusting and graphic gay sex scenes. Exactly the kind of stuff that causes the effect he describes. That is, people like me walking away from the franchise. Sounds like he is guilty of doing the same thing he accuses others of doing.
“Terminator did the same thing in Terminator: Dark Fate by executing John Connor in the opening moments of the film.”
The “Dark Fate” Terminator thing didn’t stink because the premise used a different time line than the first movies. That’s right there in the title, ‘dark fate’, and it’s Terminator so the whole point is time traveling and possible resulting paradoxes. It stank because it just wasn’t that good.
Freegards
Faggotry will do that. Every time.
Loading up entertainment with too much propaganda will turn it to sh__. Media is getting way too big, and needs to be broken up.
that franchises risk alienating their fans if they don’t stick to the source material.
Will someone explain this to Pope Francis...
It was made in reaction to all the "socially conscious" movies made in the mid-1970's.
Star Wars went off the rails when it started taking itself too seriously.