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Does COVID-19 truly warrant a nationwide shutdown?
COVID-19 ^ | Daniel Hamilton,

Posted on 05/18/2020 5:59:10 PM PDT by daniel1212

Does COVID-19 truly warrant a nationwide shutdown?

No, and that has been made increasingly clear. The predicted dire need for hospital beds did not materialize, while most infected are among those who are quarantined, especially elder care facilities which account for over 40% of deaths.

Up to about 80 percent of those infected with COVID-19 are estimated to be silent carriers, [1] meaning they show no symptoms (the New York City labor and delivery unit found 88 percent of infected patients had no symptoms, [2] while over 600 sailors on the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt tested positive, yet 60% of them had no symptoms such as fever, fatigue, or cough,[3]and in four U.S. state prisons nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus yet 96% were without symptoms[4] and or recover without medical care[5]) Which means that the infected fatality rate is much lower than the misleading case fatality rate that is usually quoted.

Meanwhile the vast majority of those who die because it are 65 years-old or more[6] and with almost 25% of all documented Covid-assigned (which does not mean the subject was tested for Covid) fatalities in the US (91,976 as of May 18 at 8:49PM EDT) are from New York (28,480)[7] and according to one report 54% of all U.S. deaths were in the 100 counties in or within 100 miles of NYC.

And the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that almost 90 percent of U.S. coronavirus patients who have been hospitalized had underlying health problems, or comorbidities.[8]

Also, another study finds that the risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low'.[9]

And while states continue to parrot the “stay sheltered” mantra, research shows that sunlight destroys virus quickly[10], and even a Department of Homeland Security official affirmed that increasing temperatures, humidity and sunlight are detrimental to coronavirus saliva droplets on surfaces and in the air.[11]

Yet miles upon miles of beach are shutdown, and for too long NY put infected persons in nursing homes[12] (and as of April 26, about 40 percent of COVID-19 deaths were in the state of New York alone. New Jersey was in second place, with nearly 5,900[13]yet the death rate is uncritically employed to justify nationwide lockdowns) while in states such as Illinois law-breaking prisoners were released from their “quarantine” - including some “high risk” sexual offenders[14] and some convicted of murder - [15] and almost a third of county jail inmates have been released from facilities during the coronavirus pandemic.[16] Meanwhile over 2,000[17] of the most vulnerable souls a day in “quarantine” - their mother’s womb - are murdered, many by the same persons claim to be for protecting the vulnerable.

Finally, the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has precedent in American history except to the a degree that of the 1918 fu (in which baseball was still played).

The Asian flu pandemic of 1957-1958 resulted in a estimated 116,000 deaths in America[18] (followed by the Hong Kong flu with about est. 100,000 American deaths in 1968–69), when at about 173,000,000, the population size in 57-58 was close to half of what it is now (330,541,000, rounded figures).

Meaning that not only was the infection death rate much higher than for COVID-19, but there would have to be about 200,000 COVID-19 est. deaths to be comparable to the Asian flu as regards percentaged of population. Yet that would simply make it basically equal as concerns the numbers of deaths in proportion to population size, but to justify the "CovidCaptivity," one would have to argue that the Asian flu should have necessitated a response like that to COVID-19. The Soviets would have favored that for sure.

The question then is, where was the COVID-19 comparative response in 57-58 in proportion to its threat? Yes, the 116,000 deaths in America to the Asian flu was for the whole year, yet even if we reach about 200,000 deaths (we pray not) for COVID-19 then that type of equality would still mean that the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has no precedent in American history, except to a degree with the far more deadly (550,000 to 675,000 Americans, or 0.66% of the population) 1918 flu.

And during which medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff. [19]

Finally, last but not least, the cost for the “cure” as meaning preventing deaths via the stay-sheltered COVID captivity will be more costly in lives and money than a more moderate response that would allow for a faster rise in cases but a better decrease and overall more healthy populace in the long run. [20][21][22]

Footnotes

[1] Coronavirus Outbreak: Daily Updates
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases/
[3] Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free
[4] In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms
[5] The basics on the coronavirus: What you need to know as the US becomes the new epicenter of COVID-19
[6] CDC: 80 percent of US coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older
[7] New York Coronavirus: 361,266 Cases and 28,480 Deaths (COVID-19 )
[8] Hospitalization Rates and Characteristics of Patients Hospitalized ...
[9] Risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low' study finds 
[10] https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/04/17/sunlight-destroys-virus-quickly-new-govt-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-last-through-summer
[11] https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-23/us-official-sunlight-heat-humidity-could-help-kill-coronavirus
[12] How States Turned Nursing Homes Into ‘Slaughter Houses’ By Forcing Them to Admit Discharged COVID-19 Patients | Jon Miltimore
[13] New York vs. Texas: NY Has Nearly 50 Times More COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita | Ryan McMaken
[14] CA Gov. Frees Seven ‘High Risk’ Sex Offenders, Orders Beaches Closed, All In Same County - LaCorte News
[15] Almost 4,000 inmates released from IL prisons, 64 convicted of murder
[16] One Third Of Jail Inmates Nationwide Set Free in Unprecedented Coronavirus Jailbreak - Big League Politics
[17] Induced Abortion in the United States
[18] 1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)
[19] Coronavirus and the Sun: a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic
[20] Stanford University doctor: 'You are mistaken' if you think coronavirus lockdowns provide safety
[21] Thanks to COVID-19, Social Security’s day of reckoning may be even closer than we thought
[22] Workers opt for unemployment as benefits exceed job pay


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; History; Religion
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; covidcaptivity; covidphobic; covidstats; whining
In cast any one is asking:
1 posted on 05/18/2020 5:59:10 PM PDT by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212

In case any one is asking:


2 posted on 05/18/2020 5:59:52 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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Nope


3 posted on 05/18/2020 6:02:36 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (MAGA!!!)
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Only by political standards.


4 posted on 05/18/2020 6:04:45 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: daniel1212

I can’t imagine ANYTHING which justifies a national shutdown.


5 posted on 05/18/2020 6:06:42 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Were we shut down over the last five flu epidemics, going clear back to 1918? This COVID is no where near what went on in the past. It was the MSM that caused all the hysteria and blaming Trump for all the deaths.


6 posted on 05/18/2020 6:11:00 PM PDT by SkyDancer (~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: daniel1212

Looks like the curve is flattened in my state, CA. I’m more than ready to open up!


7 posted on 05/18/2020 6:15:47 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: daniel1212

Kind of late to be asking that question. End! The! Lockdown!


8 posted on 05/18/2020 6:27:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: daniel1212

No.

Trump do your duty and open up this country to the way it was before. Stop letting the Democrats destroy this economy and everyone’s well being.


9 posted on 05/18/2020 6:40:44 PM PDT by moviefan8
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The governors have the upper hand. The people are rising up little by little and they are going after the dumb a** governors.


10 posted on 05/18/2020 6:45:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: daniel1212

Yes!
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Shutdown China!


11 posted on 05/18/2020 6:46:05 PM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: daniel1212

No


12 posted on 05/18/2020 6:48:45 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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“warrant a nationwide shutdown?”

Only until the bad orange man is executed and the diseased old skank hillary takes his place.


13 posted on 05/18/2020 7:01:18 PM PDT by dynachrome (The panic will end, the tyranny will not)
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To: Sacajaweau

It probably is going to be too late. It needs to open up now. Actually should have never closed.


14 posted on 05/18/2020 7:20:03 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: SkyDancer
Were we shut down over the last five flu epidemics, going clear back to 1918? This COVID is no where near what went on in the past. It was the MSM that caused all the hysteria and blaming Trump for all the deaths.

1918 is the only pandemic that would set a precedent in terms of a wide scope and degree of shutdown, yet 500,000 to 675,000 deaths are assigned to that pandemic when the tot. US pop. was 103,208,000, meaning less than 1/3 of today's 331 million. Thus for Covid to be equivalent in its infection fatality count of the population then the total Covid death toll would have to be at least 3 times that of the 1918 flu.

Yet, "While the MLB season was cut a few weeks short in 1918, that was due less to the outbreak and more to World War I, and it started back on schedule in 1919. But MLB went without any formal protocol about how to handle the outbreak, with no serious talk of canceled games or empty stadiums, and baseball went on, even as the illness came for some of its key figures." (https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/03/09/coronavirus-baseball-history)

15 posted on 05/18/2020 7:22:41 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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It’s interesting that the people (groups) who modeled this virus as the pandemic of the millennium are the same ones counting the casualties to justify their previous mistakes.

Short answer to the question - hell no!!

16 posted on 05/18/2020 7:42:16 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: daniel1212

But the thing is - the country was not shut down the way it is now.


17 posted on 05/18/2020 7:49:25 PM PDT by SkyDancer (~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: daniel1212
"Does COVID-19 truly warrant a nationwide shutdown?"

No! That would make the situation even worse than what we're seeing with the generalizing restrictions in some of the blue states!

18 posted on 05/18/2020 7:53:17 PM PDT by familyop (Hell hath no fury like a scorned parrot.)
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To: daniel1212
NO
19 posted on 05/18/2020 8:39:40 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Howard Beale "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.")
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To: SkyDancer
But the thing is - the country was not shut down the way it is now.

Correct it seems

20 posted on 05/19/2020 7:15:12 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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