Posted on 04/07/2020 11:38:17 AM PDT by Swordmaker
It struck me today that what is completely different about what we are currently doing with the COVOD19 Virus is completely different from all other diseases of the past.
In the past when a pandemic occurred in history, health authorities in the past quarantined the SICK who threatened the healthy population.
That is not what we are doing today. Turning aside from what worked in the past, sequestering the ill and sick in their homes, providing the needs in a safe manner, our authorities, or at least the progressive versions of authorities that masquerade as our Health Authorities and experts, are forcing the quarantine of the HEALTHY people in our societies!!! The progressive media and politicians pile on people who dare to suggest anything less than what is being done that imposes less than the most severe shut down of normal commerce. People are threatened with fines and arrest for daring to stray from their cells, er, homes.
They are insisting that those who are HEALTHY must sequester themselves from anyone who may potentially be infected rather than the other way around. It is the majority who must cater to the minority, the actually ill, the ones who are the actually sick. The MOST we should be doing is protecting those most at risk.
The stage was set with political correct speech. The majority was required to kowtow to the sensibilities of a minuscule minority lest their feelings may get hurt by the majority using majority accepted pronouns be used in addressing them instead of their self-selected, but in-obvious choices of gender optional desires.
Now, it is the vast majority of healthy persons who are being required to sacrifice their freedom and economic well being by being forced into quarantine due to our politically correct unwillingness to temporarily sequester those who may be coming from area where there is a potential viral infestation. What makes that sensible?
At the extreme, we are requiring “essential” workers to remain at their jobs, receiving no more than what they normally would receive in recompense, while the rest of us benefit from extended vacations and receive a government stipend, while they “slave” to support us. In worst cases, some government “masters” are speaking of the “enforced” enlistment of medical workers to staff hospitals for those who are sick. . . and are sending out the National Guard to seize medical equipment from one part of their state’s population to benefit another.
The world has been turned topsy-turvy!
What a load of BULL! It’s not even close to the most contagious thing we’ve ever seen. It’s not “extraordinary”. Where do you get off on making such a claim???
The latest data show that 98.7% of people who contract COVID19 will survive it. Something like 83% will never know they even had it, remaining asymptomatic. In Great Britain, it is now thought that it’s been endemic in their population since early December, with 6 to 8 million having contracted it and gotten over it, due to what appears to be the development of a “herd immunity” already existent in the population.
President Trump just announced as of 6PM Eastern Time on April 7, that we are looking at far fewer deaths than anticipated. . . yet you, in your ultimate profound knowledge, pronounce it’s far worse than that. RIGHT! SURE!
That we do. I’m trying to determine when we stepped through the looking glass into wonderland. . .
There’s where it should be. Step to the police enforcement and we are no longer free.
From what I hear, although he tested positive for COVID19, he actually died from an underlying case of Leukemia.
I absolutely will, and I may also ask about Asymp super spreader in the CV thread too.
My use of the term is generalized. This is something that I learned about in trying to educate myself on this pathogen.
I was surprised by the reaction of some people to me when I used that term.
Contagious was when a virulent strain of flu went through my junior high of about 1,000 students back in the 1970’s and about half of us came down with it on the same day.
I understand. I'm trying to juggle everything that's going on too.
This point was addressed in the article I read. They did some calculations, and my recollection is that even with the best case estimations, it still shows 2 million users dropped off the system for uncountable reasons.
I actually have done some research. . . and the original study had 500,000 to 2 million in the study. They reduced that to the 5,600 to 550,000 on March 16, AFTER it was roundly criticized. Look at the date on the version of the study YOU’VE linked to, which even refers to a previous study. The original preliminary study was release back in early February. Ferguson now admits that the he estimates the deaths at a high of only ~20,000 and it is likely going to be lower than that. The original study had a hockey stick like graph similar to the Global Warming hockey stock in the worst case scenario if there was no mitigation.
Even on the study you link, I don’t think you know what you are looking at in reading it.
This does not speak to it's degree of contagiousness. From what I have read, the virus does two things that are relatively new as far as the authors were concerned.
It immediately jams up the cell's ability to produce interferon, which the cell would normally use to attract the attention of the immune system. It then cuts off proteins the cell expresses, which is another method the cells use to signal infection.
This is why people can go symptom-less for so long, and then suddenly their immune system goes berserk in attacking them. The infection spreads through so many cells before the body detects it that the immune system perceives it as a massive and deadly infection. Thus the cytokine storms.
In Great Britain, it is now thought that it’s been endemic in their population since early December, with 6 to 8 million having contracted it and gotten over it, due to what appears to be the development of a “herd immunity” already existent in the population.
From other reading I have done, Asians are more susceptible due to the presence of more ACE2 receptors on their cells. The disease has genetic preferences, but this was not known earlier. White women are the least susceptible, from what I have read.
... yet you, in your ultimate profound knowledge, pronounce it’s far worse than that. RIGHT! SURE!
I said it was the most "contagious" thing we've ever seen. I didn't say it was the most deadly. I think Ebola is far more deadly, though less contagious.
Do I need to point out to you the difference between "contagious" and "deadly."
We will see how deadly it is within the next few weeks.
Some here, though, believe government should protect them by forcing others into lockdown. That is downright socialist.
Hard to say exactly when it happened when you are the frog in the nice warm water.
But I'll take your word for it. Trouble is, he's not the only example i've been seeing over the last few weeks. I've read about a lot of young people dying from this thing.
Sure, it's mostly older folk, but there have been enough young folk dying of it that they should also take it seriously.
Actually, the uninfected were often quarantined. For example, ships arriving in some ports were sent to a special island without regard to whether anyone on the ship was sick.
Any one in a house that had sick were also quarantined.
Similar restrictions to stay at home were enacted in many cities during the Spanish flu.
Etc., etc.
I don't think anyone but those who have been shown to be positive should be "locked down."
But I think businesses that cater to large numbers of people need to have reduced occupancy standards for the duration of this thing, and I think they should also take extra precautions to insure their employees or customers don't get infected.
Please provide a link or tell me where to find this earlier study.
I don't see any reference to it in the paper and it isn't on the Imperial College web site.
No, that’s reading the statistics backwards. You cannot interpret it that way.
This chart is of those who have been hospitalized from COVID19, not those who will be hospitalized. You cannot infer anything about that cohort from the cohort who have been. You cannot make the jump of logic to assume that the two are in anyway identical.
For example, perhaps, 80% of those not hospitalized are immune to COVID19. It’s possible. We don’t know one way or the other. We can infer nothing from those already hospitalized except, perhaps, morbidity or predilection to contraction.
It’s like saying “look 100% of those hospitalized are named Jones. Ergo, all the rest will be Jones.” But we don’t know why only men named “Jones” got infected. So we cannot make that assumption. More data must be learned before we can make that statement. It may have been that something was in the food served at a convention of only men named “Jones” infected them, and that’s the only reason we have this “Jones” situation. Correlation is not necessarily causation, or even evidence of anything worth investigating beyond source.
Everyone who is told to STAY HOME, don’t go outside. Don’t walk on the streets under threat of arrest. Closing stores at the direction of the state. It’s happening. That’s a quarantine, Metmom.
The deaths in Northern Italy comport well with the average number of deaths they get yearly from similar causes in the same areas. This is media HYPE exacerbated by fear instilled in the medical workers and the populations in those areas resulting in older people getting LESS care.
Checked out Sweden’s numbers lately?
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