Posted on 04/07/2020 11:38:17 AM PDT by Swordmaker
It struck me today that what is completely different about what we are currently doing with the COVOD19 Virus is completely different from all other diseases of the past.
In the past when a pandemic occurred in history, health authorities in the past quarantined the SICK who threatened the healthy population.
That is not what we are doing today. Turning aside from what worked in the past, sequestering the ill and sick in their homes, providing the needs in a safe manner, our authorities, or at least the progressive versions of authorities that masquerade as our Health Authorities and experts, are forcing the quarantine of the HEALTHY people in our societies!!! The progressive media and politicians pile on people who dare to suggest anything less than what is being done that imposes less than the most severe shut down of normal commerce. People are threatened with fines and arrest for daring to stray from their cells, er, homes.
They are insisting that those who are HEALTHY must sequester themselves from anyone who may potentially be infected rather than the other way around. It is the majority who must cater to the minority, the actually ill, the ones who are the actually sick. The MOST we should be doing is protecting those most at risk.
The stage was set with political correct speech. The majority was required to kowtow to the sensibilities of a minuscule minority lest their feelings may get hurt by the majority using majority accepted pronouns be used in addressing them instead of their self-selected, but in-obvious choices of gender optional desires.
Now, it is the vast majority of healthy persons who are being required to sacrifice their freedom and economic well being by being forced into quarantine due to our politically correct unwillingness to temporarily sequester those who may be coming from area where there is a potential viral infestation. What makes that sensible?
At the extreme, we are requiring “essential” workers to remain at their jobs, receiving no more than what they normally would receive in recompense, while the rest of us benefit from extended vacations and receive a government stipend, while they “slave” to support us. In worst cases, some government “masters” are speaking of the “enforced” enlistment of medical workers to staff hospitals for those who are sick. . . and are sending out the National Guard to seize medical equipment from one part of their state’s population to benefit another.
The world has been turned topsy-turvy!
What healthy people have been quarantined?
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Was wondering the same.
Because it’s posted on Medium which is nothing more that a big blog.
Very little of what I’ve read there is worth reading.
What rights are you willing to give up to government control to “flatten the curve” this time, or the next time? Some of the mayors and governors thought that gun rights were included.
Pretty much.
Putting aside for the moment that the site has no respectable credentials, does this make the information conferred in the article automatically worthless?
If you have kept up with the history of medicine, which I suspect you have, you know that there have been countless times in history where the majority of the medical community was absolutely wrong about what they believed.
Lister and antiseptics comes to mind, as does the germ theory of disease.
“I also don’t think it has been grossly overestimated how deadly it is. I think it’s pretty d@mned deadly, but we have better medical care than was available in China.”
Look this website over a bit.
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
I’ve simply seen the term used over the course of this many times by a number of different people and in different places.
A couple of articles where this is discussed-
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/coronavirus-super-spreaders-2
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission.html
Just from off hand memory, the lawyer in New York early on, Biogen conference, a gathering referred to as “Party Zero”, a Pakistani delivery person who was though to have started Italy’s outbreak.
What rights have any of us given up?
I haven’t surrendered any. Anyone else?
Mr. mm and I have been traveling between our home here in CNY and our cottage here, and our new house in NH freely and NOBODY has bothered us in the least.
Purchasing firearms in NH has not changed at all, even though there’s a real shortage of ammo, but that’s not a right I have surrendered. It’s the market.
Nobody has stopped me from buying anything, nor have I been required to show my papers to do so.
So what rights have we given up?
No rapid tests = unable to identify & quarantine the sick.
Ditto.
No traveling from home to store, family visits, etc., here in TX. No one is forcing us to stay in our home.
Cars are driving about, to and fro, along our roads.
There’s a differene between a stay at home order and a quarantine, too.
Oh? Is that why 64 million people in the US contract that 2017-2018 flu bug that was the worst in 40 years, with over 1 million hospitalizations in the United States, and almost 80,000 DEATHS in a FOUR MONTH PERIOD???? Was that because they had proven effective therapeutic treatments? I don’t think so. The hospitals were not completely overwhelmed, the economy was not even close to being shut down. Nobody was in fear of being killed. . . and that flu killed people in all age cohorts. The case mortality rate for the 2017-2018 flu was 10.8% at peak at one point in early January 2018. . . Do YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE THIS???? COVID19 is nowhere nearly so deadly!
What was different between then and now? The progressives in the Leftist mainstream news media was not hyping it 24/7 with fear graphics and claims out the kazoo.
You asked a question in your post and I, as well as about a dozen other FReepers, gave you the obvious answer.
Now you're on about unknown bad guys seizing control and who knows what else.
Can you at least stick to the topic of your own vanity?
Sometimes the real answer is not what is the distractions purposefully put right in front of your face, semimojo. YOU only see what they are intentionally waving the bright shiny object they want you looking at, distracting you with. That’s why you’re a member of sheep herd, willing to go and be either shorn, or converted in to hamchops.
I am staying with the point of my post. . . Which is to lead people to the underlying point. Something else is going on. . . and what is so unknown about progressive Leftists? They’ve been in plain sight for a long time.
Because many think they are healthy when they are not or when they are “Typhoid Mary” carriers. So many here on FR are just daft.
Thank you chris!
The articles did not give me what I was looking for but thanks so much for your kindness. The Healthline article agrees with the existence of the super spreader phenomenon with covid-19 and the NY Times agrees that asymptomatic individuals can be positive. There is a useful statement about the definition of asymptomatic which is useful. Possibly It is too early to say with covid-19 but if there was an asymptomatic SSE with sars or mers, the point would be established.
Just remember me if you see more and thanks!
By the way, the world is made up of “acceptable losses’ balanced against benefits. We cannot make plans without accepting such losses, otherwise we’d be paralyzed and unable to do anything.
I would be very loathe to be among the acceptable losses for any of this and will do everything I can to avoid being one of them. But that’s on me. I will do it for me and mine.
Society does what it can for those in my category, I’m going to be 71 in June and have suffered two heart attacks. . . but I cannot expect society to come to a standstill for me. I do expect society to keep me informed as to my best approach to avoid being among those acceptable losses. I.E., tell me what I need to do, but I don’t expect society to do it for me, or for society to unreasonably bend over backwards to assure my survival. Beyond that, I will do my own research on what I can do to maximize my survival.
They've revised the death estimate down to 61k. Almost every estimate out there projects Covid-19 deaths to be above that this year.
And that's with the extreme measures being taken.
COVID19 is nowhere nearly so deadly!
So say you.
The death rate for the flu in the US is around 0.1%. The data are obviously still moving around but the lowest figure I've seen for Covid-19 is 0.4% and that's an outlier. Most estimates are significantly higher.
I really haven’t been reading a lot. Other issues on the home front.
“......Germany has a low mortality rate among corona virus patients compared to other European nations, which experts say is due to a high number of testing.....The document predicts a staged return to normality, backed by mechanisms that will make it possible to track more than 80% of people an infected person had contact with, within 24 hours of diagnosis.......”
Tracking 90% of people contacted by an infected person within 24 hours is way beyond what some local and state public health workers can imagine let alone afford.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/germanys-plan-end-lockdown-161718148.html
At the same time as that occurred, China required citizens’ phones the be registered with their personal health, ID, and bank records. It made it extremely difficult for anyone to have TWO phones, because you only had one health and ID record. When you registered your phone number with your Chinese carrier it also registered your health and ID information. Oops. No second phone for you which a lot of younger people had but could no longer retain.
This disappearance of 21 million cell phone accounts coincided with that change in their laws. Only one phone account per person. Only exception were those who had a registered small business were allowed to have a second phone. That would account for the disappearing of 21 million phone accounts. . . Not just deaths.
Yes, we do. And the reason I know is that I worked on the tech that was later adapted to do it (our focus at the time was anthrax, plague, and other bacterial biowarfare agents).
"What? We can’t be trusted to maintain a six foot distance between ourselves in a National Park? "
Given the behavior of the spring breakers...apparently not.
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