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Coronavirus Live Thread. 6.
2/27/20

Posted on 02/28/2020 1:09:49 PM PST by Vermont Lt

Continuation of the thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3820145/posts


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: aerosol; airborne; bioengineering; communityspread; coronavirus; covid19; covid19livethread; cvlivethread; democrathoax; dooom; kungflu; sarscov2
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To: LilFarmer

Delta temporarily suspends Milan service

Delta’s last JFK-MXP flight departs Monday, March 2, and its last MXP-JFK flight on Tuesday, March 3. Services to resume on May 1 and 2, respectively.

https://news.delta.com/delta-temporarily-suspends-milan-service


1,201 posted on 03/01/2020 11:38:02 AM PST by LilFarmer
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To: Black Agnes; LilFarmer; Vermont Lt
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

Autopsies show severe damage to COVID-19 patients' lungs and immune system, according to a doctor in Wuhan reached by the Global Times, who called for measures to prevent fibrosis of the lungs at an early stage of the disease.

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.

Peng said he had just talked to Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology. Liu's team has reportedly conducted nine autopsies on deceased COVID-19 patients as of February 24.

"The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients' lungs from irreversible fibrosis," Peng noted.

If irreversible damage is done, other measures, like those to prevent patients from oxygen deficit, will not be of much use, he said.

Liu's team published a paper on an autopsy they conducted in the Journal of Forensic Medicine on Tuesday.

1,202 posted on 03/01/2020 11:41:24 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Black Agnes; All
I found the mouse study related to the ketogenic diet and anti-viral effects. I think one of the major comorbidity risks is metabolic syndrome, including frailty from thin outside and fat inside (TOFI).

Abstract:

Ketogenic diet activates protective γδ T cell responses against influenza virus infection.

Complete Paper (PDF) from Sci-Hub:

Ketogenic diet activates protective γδ T cell responses against influenza virus infection.
1,203 posted on 03/01/2020 11:44:00 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: justa-hairyape

When the Who finds a sucker big enough to loan them enough money to cover their Pandemic bonds...

==

Eggsactly!!


1,204 posted on 03/01/2020 11:52:04 AM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: Jane Long

WA

Alexander Higgins
@kr3at
USPS employee in Federal Way, Washington tests positive for #coronavirus. The employee works at a Seattle Network Distribution Center located in Federal Way, WA.

We may soon find out the truth our about #COVID19 spread from mail packages.

Video at link:
https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1234183855512412163


1,205 posted on 03/01/2020 11:54:55 AM PST by LilFarmer
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To: LilFarmer

How interesting (Nike HQ closing....for decontamination).


1,206 posted on 03/01/2020 11:55:39 AM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: Jane Long
Yikes!!! (age dist. chart)

This was an expensive 14 day cruise, nothing like the cheap 3-7 day Caribbean or Mexico cruises many younger folks and families take (and cheap cruises in other regions). I suspect the chart isn't too far off from the age demographics of the passengers. I just dropped my sister and her husband off at the San Diego Cruise Ship Terminal for an 18 day cruise, and the boarding line looked like it was 90% 50+. Last cruise I took was a "cheap" Mexican Riviera cruise, and that was a much younger crowd, including younger couples with kids.

1,207 posted on 03/01/2020 11:57:29 AM PST by ETCM
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To: All

Seyi Gesinde
@GhesheS
Government announces dependants and non-essential staff at the British embassy in Tehran are being withdrawn from Iran due to the #coronavirus outbreak


1,208 posted on 03/01/2020 12:00:27 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: Jane Long

NY

NEW YORK (WPVI) — One man has locked himself in his Brooklyn apartment, trying to get by with a hacking cough and a fever - and a real concern he is infected with the novel coronavirus.
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“The thing that’s scary to me, is there’s not many cases in New York, but obvious there’s people like me who are coming back from places that have a lot of infections,” he said.

The man, who will go by ‘John’ by anonymity, recently spent five days in Tokyo on business. When he returned home this week, he just knew he had a problem.

At NYU Brooklyn, they put him in isolation, and ran a battery of tests for other things - all negative. Then, per protocol, they called the CDC, because NYU Suspect COVID-19, but the CDC said no.

https://6abc.com/health/why-did-cdc-send-nyc-man-home-without-testing-for-coronavirus/5977422/

Comment: this is the real thing that the hoax-mongers should be looking at. Not that the threat is not real but the CDC failed at their job but lets the President take the blame. These are people that cried when he was elected.


1,209 posted on 03/01/2020 12:02:32 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: ETCM

She’s talking about a different chart I posted up thread that showed covid affecting young people disproportionately. The cruise data is not a good indicator of age distributions the general population IMO.


1,210 posted on 03/01/2020 12:04:54 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: LilFarmer

ENGLAND 12 more cases, total 35
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51697991?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


1,211 posted on 03/01/2020 12:08:10 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: LilFarmer

This one is interesting - national guard coming through Grants Pass, Oregon: https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1234190134163234817


1,212 posted on 03/01/2020 12:08:39 PM PST by knak (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing)
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To: LilFarmer

UK
Doctors and other former health professionals could be brought out of retirement to help fight coronavirus if the UK outbreak dramatically worsens. Ministers have confirmed a series of contingency measures are being drawn up to cope with an escalation of the crisis into a pandemic, including considering ‘broader measures’ to ensure the NHS can handle the added strain. The plans include a ‘Dad’s Army’ style emergency registration of retired health professionals, as well as relaxing rules around school class sizes in case teachers are off ill or forced to self-isolate.

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/01/nhs-plans-deploy-dads-army-retired-doctors-coronavirus-spreads-12327520/?ito=cbshare
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/


1,213 posted on 03/01/2020 12:10:59 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: knak

Thanks for posting, people are about to be in for a ride awakening.


1,214 posted on 03/01/2020 12:12:44 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: LilFarmer
Doctors and other former health professionals could be brought out of retirement to help fight coronavirus if the UK outbreak dramatically worsens.

Top Kek.

in other words, white genocide intensifies.

Everyone knows that Xiping Fever attacks the elderly the hardest: so they're bringing in *retired* doctors (predominantly _white_)... and with the likely refusal of Muslims to be treated by anyone other than another Muslim, guess who gets to spread it before tapping out, themselves?

Old white MDs, who remember a time before the mass Islamization of Britain by ...wasn't it the Labour Party's Tony Blair?

1,215 posted on 03/01/2020 12:17:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: PA Engineer

Yeah. I think I posted that last paper sometime early on in the coronavirus threads.

It’s a very interesting paper.

I’ve got a fridge full of cabbages, just got in an order of keto baking supplies and am planting lettuce and snow peas this week :)


1,216 posted on 03/01/2020 12:18:44 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: LilFarmer

Yep. The United States is about to go sideways whether we want to or not.


1,217 posted on 03/01/2020 12:22:10 PM PST by EBH (DNC=Party NON GRATA)
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To: grey_whiskers

I wonder if the US will call on all the doctors here that retired due to Obamacare. We’re about to see just how badly that damaged our healthcare system in terms of manpower.


1,218 posted on 03/01/2020 12:22:55 PM PST by LilFarmer
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For some reason a post thread I labeled as a vanity and did in chat got locked. I posted this:

Why are Governments Trying To Stop Corona virus? FreeRepublic.com ^ | Today | Self Posted on 3/1/2020, 1:02:59 PM by DouglasKC

There seems to be quite a few opinions about COVID 19, or the corona virus. Some say it's not a threat...that it's no worse than the flu or the common cold. Others think that it may be the end of civilization as we know it.

What is the truth? Let's look at one truth first.

The truth is that governments all over the world are taking it very seriously.

As President Trump has pointed out he banned travel to and from the affected regions of China long before anybody thought it was prudent. Early on he also instituted mass quarantines of some who had arrived from Wuhan as well as from an infected cruise ship.

When the virus first started in Wuhan the Chinese government took even more drastic measures such as mass quarantines, blockading of entire cities, shutting down virtually all places of employment and schools. They have basically banned public gatherings.

In fact EVERY place where it has spread and taken hold governments of all political stripes and forms have instituted similar measures. South Korea, Japan, Italy, Singapore, France, the United States and every other country has instituted aggressive tracing of the virus, quarantines and other measures designed to slow, limit or stop the spread.

It's clear that NO government wants this to be loose in their populations. Why?

The reason why is simple. It's stated in almost every government pronouncement about this virus including the United States. It's contained in this sentence:

"For 80% of those who get this virus their symptoms will be mild and won't require hospitalization."

What's the problem? The problem is that this means that in 20% of the cases the symptoms will NOT be mild and WILL require some type of medical intervention. THIS is what governments are worried about. Why?

First of all it's widely acknowledged that THIS virus spreads as easily as the flu or the common cold. MOST scientists say that it spread MORE rapidly than either of these. But let's say it ONLY spreads as rapidly as the common flu.

In an average year 5% to 20% of the population of the United States will get the flu. (Source: webmd.com https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-statistics). The US population is about 370,000,000. Let's go with a very low flu season at 5% infected:

370 million X 5% = 18,500,000 infected in a year from the common flu.

So IF nothing is done AND this thing ONLY infects the same amount as an average flu year there will be 18,500,000 infected by the corona virus.

Remember that 20% WILL require some type of medical intervention...i.e. severe symptoms requiring hospitalization or other medical intervention.

18,500,000 X 20% = 3,700,000 requiring hospitalization.

Let's say that the experts are wrong and only 10% will require hospitalization.

18,500,000 x 10% = 1,850,000 requiring hospitalization.

So our scenario is this: IF nothing is done and it spreads at the very low end of the spread of influenza then we are talking about 18.5 million infected. And IF the experts are wrong and only 10% require hospitalization then that is 1.8 million people needing to be hospitalized basically so they don't die.

Well what's the problem? The problem is this: In the United States there are ONLY 924,107 TOTAL STAFFED BEDS IN ALL US HOSPITALS (Source: aha.org https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals).

Do you see the problem? These beds are not currently all open and waiting. They are filled by patients who have every other type of illness or injury requiring a hospital stay. We do NOT have enough capacity at our hospitals to even accommodate a best case scenario for the spread of this virus.

Get it? If this is NOT stopped or slowed or limited then it will essentially break the health care systems of every country it infects.

Governments have THREE choices:

1. Spend trillions of dollars to build enough capacity to handle all of the patients, year in and year out, or Corona virus.
2. Do not treat severe corona virus cases. Let them die.
3. A combination of the above.

None of these are attractive to any government. These are all non-starters.

IF governments do nothing to stop its spread they face a lot of bad choices. This is EXACTLY why every government of the face of the earth is taking draconian measures to contain this virus even if they don't say so.

1,219 posted on 03/01/2020 12:25:05 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: janetjanet998

“ Government announces dependants and non-essential staff at the British embassy in Tehran are being withdrawn from Iran due to the #coronavirus outbreak.”

I’m sure they were already holed up in the embassy, so infection isn’t a problem. They are probably concerned that the civil order will collapse and the embassy will be stormed.


1,220 posted on 03/01/2020 12:26:04 PM PST by BusterDog
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