How Do I Put W10 On My W7 Machine ?

self ^ | December 13, 2019 | knarf

[knarf]

I have options, but not enough knowledge.

[ducttape45]

The dock does indeed hook up side. Power and SATA cables will plug into the back of it. Once you have a hard drive inside your system won't know the difference.

You will need a 5.25" bay, and an opening in your case to accommodate it. I actually have two in mine, one for the O/S and one for other purposes. Mine is not hot swapable, but I know there are motherboards that do support that feature. Next one I get will support it, I hope.

Let me know if you need any help.

[harpu]

Up for later...worth saving.

[Paal Gulli]

"How Do I Put W10 On My W7 Machine ?"

Only out of desperation.

[dayglored]

FReeper Tech Help, Better Late Than Never ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

Thanks to Army Air Corps for the ping, and to Openurmind for the humor!

[dayglored]

Hi knarf, I’ve pinged the Windows List. Sorry it’s delayed, been out driving all day. FRegards, Dayglored

[Carriage Hill]

Pls define “HUGE” and “loads”... I’m getting ready for Linux Mint Cinnamon v18.3

I have 1TB HDD and 16GB RAM.

[lysie]

4 later

[upchuck]

For Win 7 die hards, two web sites to check out:

0patch.com That’s [zero].

https://www.av-comparatives.org/comparison/

I’ll run Win 7 Pro 64 till the day I die. Or maybe switch to Linux Mint :)

[Bob434]

thanks for the explanation- I don’t have any open front bays- my current two hard drives actually stand parallel to the front of hte case- instead of horizontal, so there is no front access to them- I’m not sure how i could situate the device inside the computer- I suppose it doesn’t actually have to be located inside, as long as the wires will reach it (I leave my case side off anyways- the case i have is a real stinker to open and close-)- I can quickly swap out hard drives whiel machine is off- but i do have to keep undoing those two cables on the drives, which is kind of a pain just because it’s so cramped inside the case- would be nice to just be able to slide a drive out and pop one back in without havign to muck aroudn with hte wires- Ill have to look at this more closely-

[matthew fuller]

I remember that Red X crap associated with the free Malware bytes trial. I got hung up on that too.

[TChad]

Only downside is, it keeps freezing on me,

Might be overheating. If you have an Intel Bay Trail processor then an easy fix may be available.

[Windflier]

Might be overheating.

I don't think so. My machine doesn't freeze in Windows. Only Linux.

Freeper Openurmind and I checked the operating temp of my laptop some time ago, and it was fine.

[TChad]

A process might be running in Linux that stresses the processor.

Are you running a Bay Trail processor?

[Windflier]

A process might be running in Linux that stresses the processor. Are you running a Bay Trail processor?

I don't know. My laptop is a 2013 HP.

[TChad]

OK, if it is a laptop, then you can often tell that the computer is overheating just by putting your fingers next to the fan vent on the side of the computer. Warm air is OK, hot is not.

If you post or Freepmail me the model name/number of the laptop I can check the type of processor.

[knarf]

How do I print this entire thread out ?

EVERYTHING here is worthy of keeping for future reference

[Windflier]

...if it is a laptop, then you can often tell that the computer is overheating just by putting your fingers next to the fan vent on the side of the computer. Warm air is OK, hot is not.

I just checked, and the fan exhaust temp is very mild. That's after about 90 minutes of operation.

Freeper Openurmind has been helping me with my Linux issues for some time now, and we've made a lot of progress. Basically, everything that was wrong, has now been handled, except for this one issue of Linux freezing up, which has been a widespread problem for years now.

If you can figure that out, you'll be a hero to Linux users, worldwide!

[Openurmind]

Here is something I ran into with my Wife’s newer HP laptop. I don’t know how it does it, but somehow HP and windows 10 retains some background control over the motherboard and the BIOS even when it is booted in linux. To update the BIOS firmware to the linux BIOS firmware might get rid of this.

But... As long as it is dual boot and still has windows on it I am not sure this should be done. Maybe only if you made it a linux only machine. But even on my current linux only HP I did not need to do this with the 18.3, so I’m not going to take a chance of fouling the HP and motherboard marriage without need.

What I found on my Wife’s was that somehow the Windows 10 power settings for “timed” shutdown or hibernate still affected the BIOS and motherboard. So whatever it was set to would lock up the hard drive behind the scenes and freeze linux when it timed out. I went and changed all the windows setting to “never” for shut down and hibernate and the overall scheme to “high performance”.

This cured the freeze up effect that windows 10 and HP had going on in the background with the motherboard and hard drive. But hers is 18.3 and not 19.2.

Know what I am thinking now? I think you need to make another DVD disk with 18.3 cinnamon and run it as temporary from the disk all day and see if it stays up without freezing on 18.3. And if so, we may be able to revert you back to that earlier kernel and cure the issue without needing to reinstall with the whole new 18.3 OS. :)

[TChad]

somehow HP and windows 10 retains some background control over the motherboard and the BIOS even when it is booted in linux.

Unless you are running one OS in a virtual machine, I don't see how that could happen, but maybe it is possible.

Years ago I had such problems with hibernate in Linux (not Mint) that I stopped using the feature, and I never restarted. Suspend-to-RAM can also cause problems.

The below is about hibernate and suspend-to-RAM in Mint 19.2:

https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/bugs.html#ID10

[Openurmind]

Tchad, first let me thank you for jumping in and offering to help figure this out. All ideas are absolutely welcome and very much appreciated, It really has become a problem for many. And not just Mint, Apparently some Ubuntu users are having the same issue with some hardware brands.

Let me share that HP has always had some proprietary quirks with hardware BIOS and it’s default firmware. For instance even if there is another OS installed, HP still always has it’s own hard coded default device boot loader and menu aside from just the BIOS setup boot order control. In fact this HP firmware control is primary over the BIOS setup and overrides it. So the HP proprietary firmware control over hardware is ever present aside from the BIOS it’s self.

And something I found with Win 10 is that it never really shuts completely down when you power it down. The only way to truly make it shut all the way off and unhook from all partial remaining windows control is to disable “fast startup”. And I’m not sure how it does this, but it will actually let you boot into Linux and still be running a few elements of that windows control in the background such as the hibernate time out and the fast startup. It never fully unhooks from windows even if you boot up in a different OS.

This is what I ran into with my Wife’s new HP laptop. Between the HP factory firmware retaining control over the motherboard and hardware, and the windows not fully shutting down in the background, it would run linux just fine as it should but it would freeze up like clockwork at around the same time frame every time we used it even with 18.3. I had to go shut off the fast startup and set everything in windows to “never” for all the power saving features in the windows.

This cured it and now it actually shuts windows all the way down from the background and runs linux with no more issues. I have disliked HP for years now because of some of their built in hard coded proprietary stuff like this, they have always added stuff like this that wasn’t really needed. And win 10... Well it speaks for it’s self.

I really do appreciate the link you shared and we need to try and see if disabling the suspend in linux will help. Because HP just might be one of those computer brands it mentions in that article that the feature has issues with. But like you, I first highly suspect a possible overheating issue with Windflier’s PC. While overall it might not appear to be getting too hot, it is happening after he has been running videos for awhile and may be directly associated with the graphics processing it’s self aside from the main CPU temp? I know HP is famous for running hotter than most, they have always had “right on the edge” heating problems.

It could be just a couple degrees difference in threshold from what Windows is deciding is too hot and what linux has decided is too hot. Windows might be allowing a slightly higher operating temp before self protection kicks in than the linux is. I had this happen on my current HP, when running videos it would overheat just a bit and shut down when on linux. But it didn’t freeze, it shutdown. I had to go and reconfigure the “thermald” to make it turn the fan speed higher slightly sooner than it was by default. It was waiting to long before increasing speed and by then it was too late and had gone over the critical threshold slightly.

I know one thing... It would be nice if some genius could find the time to build a “GUI” application for Linux like “SpeedFan” that is available for windows... If I had the skills I would have already done this. It is very very much needed for cases like my own with HP. Be nice to monitor sensors and adjust the fan/fans using an easy to use linux GUI application, especially for the average non-techy linux user. :)