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Nobody knows what’s creating oxygen on Mars
BGR ^
| 13 November 2019
| Mike Wehner
Posted on 11/14/2019 11:29:07 AM PST by ShadowAce
NASAs Curiosity rover returned some seriously surprising data to Earth earlier this year, with readings of elevated methane levels that were hard to explain. Subsequent tests attempted to pin down the cause of the higher-than-expected readings but scientists have yet to come up with a definitive answer.
Now, as questions about methane continue to swirl, scientists studying the behavior of gasses on Mars have noticed that oxygen on the Red Planet also acts much differently than it does on Earth. The observations were made in the Gale Crater, which the rover has called home since it landed there back in 2012.
Curiosity breathes the air on Mars and analyzes it to determine the levels of various types of gasses that are present. On Earth, the background levels of certain gasses rise and fall with seasons, and the same seems to be true on Mars, but only to a point.
The air on Mars is largely carbon dioxide. In fact, a full 95% of the gas Curiosity breathes in during its tests is CO2. The remaining 5% is a mix of nitrogen, argon, oxygen, and carbon monoxide. By plotting levels of these gasses over the course of a full Martian year, scientists have noticed anomalies with regard to the amount of oxygen, relative to other gasses.
NASA explains:
Within this environment, scientists found that nitrogen and argon follow a predictable seasonal pattern, waxing and waning in concentration in Gale Crater throughout the year relative to how much CO2 is in the air. They expected oxygen to do the same. But it didnt. Instead, the amount of the gas in the air rose throughout spring and summer by as much as 30%, and then dropped back to levels predicted by known chemistry in fall.
The fact that the oxygen levels vary as wildly as they do is significant because it hints at as-of-yet undiscovered processes at work on the surface of the planet. For the oxygen levels to see a significant upward spike and then a dramatically fall, something must be creating it and then another something is using it.
Were struggling to explain this, Melissa Trainer of NASAs Goddard Space Flight Center says. The fact that the oxygen behavior isnt perfectly repeatable every season makes us think that its not an issue that has to do with atmospheric dynamics. It has to be some chemical source and sink that we cant yet account for.
Before you start dreaming of a subterranean race of Martian monsters, its important to know that this isnt a smoking gun for life on Mars. In fact, its far from it. There are natural processes that can generate oxygen in the absence of life, and since we have yet to find evidence of life on the Red Planet, yet cant rule it out, scientists are considering all possible options.
TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; argon; astronomy; carbondioxide; co2; deeplife; exobiology; gilbertlewin; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; mars; methane; nasa; nitrogen; oxygen; science; thomasgold
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To: TheNext
Elemental oxygen vs. molecular oxygen.
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:00:25 PM PST
by
steve86
(Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
To: ShadowAce
Assuming (as a non-scientist) that the red predominating on Mars is iron oxide, could some force be liberating the oxygen from its bond with the iron atoms?
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:04:09 PM PST
by
JimRed
( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
To: CatOwner
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:04:11 PM PST
by
samtheman
(Never underestimate The Stupid on the left... or the evil in the heart of a bureaucrat.)
To: ShadowAce
Send Sheila up there to straighten the flag and maybe she’ll find out about the oxygen.
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:05:24 PM PST
by
bgill
To: TheNext
“Nothing creates Oxygen. It is an element.
That requires a nuclear furnace.”
Thanks for screwing up a perfectly good thread with facts.
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:08:44 PM PST
by
CrazyIvan
(The Democrat party. A collaboration of Cloward-Piven and Dunning-Kruger.)
To: ShadowAce
"scientists studying the behavior of gasses on Mars have noticed that oxygen on the Red Planet also acts much differently than it does on Earth." When you put a lit match close to a Martians butt...Uh, nevermind.
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:28:30 PM PST
by
outofsalt
(If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
To: ShadowAce
So Climate Change is happening on Mars too?
And no humans are present??
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:46:26 PM PST
by
red-dawg
(Climate change caused the end of the Ice Age. Did man play a part in it?)
To: BenLurkin
I’m wondering of a hardy, primitive form of plant life, such as lichens, might survive?
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:54:58 PM PST
by
T. Rustin Noone
(the angels wanna wear my red shoes......)
To: ShadowAce
In Robinson Crusoe on Mars (1964) oxygen came from rocks when he heated them but to heat them there must have been oxygen , ,LOL movies
To: butlerweave
For that movie Mars was believed to have a similar atmosphere plus O2 content as Mt Everest or something of similar altitude. So starting a fire could happen, hard to do but could be done!
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posted on
11/14/2019 12:59:40 PM PST
by
Reily
To: ShadowAce
Actually well-written and quite fascinating. Thank God no one can claim mankind caused this one, unless they assert that the Rover is doing it!
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posted on
11/14/2019 1:01:06 PM PST
by
The Westerner
(Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine, education and our forests)
To: NicknamedBob
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posted on
11/14/2019 1:05:14 PM PST
by
Tax-chick
(Tomado de la mano, yo voy con Cristo a donde El va!)
To: butlerweave
Alas, “Batman” didn’t land too well in that movie, iirc.
To: TheNext
Common earthy plants breathe CO2 and exhale Oxygen, no nuclear furnace required
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posted on
11/14/2019 2:28:47 PM PST
by
PIF
(They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
To: CrazyIvan
Not a fact - without molecular oxygen we would all die, and its that form of oxygen the post is referencing
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posted on
11/14/2019 2:31:00 PM PST
by
PIF
(They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
To: PIF
“...plants breathe CO2 and exhale Oxygen...”
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In your example, there was already “O” in the “CO2”.
To: butlerweave
"....but to heat them there must have been oxygen...." Electrical resistance heating driven by solar cells. No oxygen needed.
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posted on
11/14/2019 2:44:48 PM PST
by
Wonder Warthog
(The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
To: 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AnalogReigns; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
Thanks ShadowAce. It's almost as if Thomas Gold were correct.
Highly oxidized iron is abundant on Mars, and very small-grained magnetite can then be expected to be one of the accumulated residues of microbial processes; so can iron sulfide and methane-derived carbonates. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are the large molecules that might remain in a rock that originally contained crude oil but then was exposed for millions of years to the high vacuum of space. All these substances have been found in the discovery meteorite, closely packaged to each other, and this by itself would make a strong case for the microbial interpretation. In addition, there are small objects seen under scanning electron microscopy that may well be fossils of microbes. While the last item by itself would not be conclusive evidence, the combination of this together with oil and the three residue products make a strong case for the microbial explanation. It is true that each step can occur without biological intervention, but the chance of finding by chance the evidence for all three solids in a small volume, together with hydrocarbons, seems to be very low. Many terrestrial oil and gas wells show just such an association (but an association with helium also, which the meteorite could not have transported through space).
Thomas Gold | Life on other Planets | May 1997
Some related topics, selected from the 2200+ in the "Mars" keyword:.
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posted on
11/14/2019 3:00:25 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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posted on
11/14/2019 3:04:30 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
Thomas Gold keyword, chrono sorted:
- Nobody knows what's creating oxygen on Mars [2019]
- No Signs of Aliens in the Closest 1,300 Stars, Hunt Funded by Russian Billionaire Reveals [2019]
- Curiosity rover confirms source of seasonal methane spikes on Mars [2019]
- There Is Definitely Methane on Mars, Scientists Say. But Is It a Sign of Life? [2019]
- Alien Hunters, Stop Using the Drake Equation [2018]
- Life in deep Earth totals 15 to 23 billion tons of carbon -- hundreds of times more than humans [2018]
- There be dragons? Creatures you might find on a real journey to the centre of the Earth [2016]
- Earth Is An Oil-Producing Machine â€" We're Not Running Out [2015]
- New methane organisms discovered [2015]
- Oil-Eating Microbes Have Worldwide Underground Connections [2015]
- Astronomy Picture of the Day -- The Mysterious Methane of Mars [2014]
- Whoops! Earth's Oldest 'Diamonds' Actually Polishing Grit [2014]
- Surprising Trove of Gas Seeps Found Off East Coast [2013]
- What If Oil Lasts Forever? Fossil fuels may not be finite. This'd be a miracle -- and a nightmare [2013]
- Most of Earth covered with life powered on hydrogen. Living Rocks? [2013]
- Microbes Likely Abundant Hundreds of Meters Below Sea Floor [2013]
- Hydrocarbons Could Form Deep In the Earth From Methane, Not Animal Remains [2012]
- Scientists Find Mega-Oil Field ... 1,300 Light Years Away [2012]
- No Sign of Methane on Mars; Abstract Thought Melts Political Convictions [2012]
- Gases Created When Meteors Slam into Planets May Provide False-Positives of Life [2012]
- Billions of Tons of Methane Lurk Beneath Antarctic Ice [2012]
- Oldest known impact crater found [2012]
- Fossil Fuels. When are we going to stop using this false description of anaerobic oil? [2012]
- Arctic melt releasing ancient methane [2012]
- Huge Natural Gas From Methane Hydrates Process Developed [2012]
- XKCD - Lakes and Oceans [2012]
- What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources? (Evidence mounting on limitless supply of oil) [2012]
- What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources? [2012]
- The Oil Scarcity Myth [2012]
- Unconventional Completion Technology Revives Old Oil Fields [2012]
- 300 million year old fossilized forest discovered under coal mine in China [2012]
- Methane Bubbling to Arctic Ocean Surface in Giant Plumes [2011]
- NASA Finds Hydrocarbons on Saturn's Moon Hyperion [2011]
- Are we sitting on unlimited fossil-fuel resources? [2011]
- 'Worms from hell' unearth possibilities for extraterrestrial life [2011]
- Everything you've heard about fossil fuels may be wrong [2011]
- Scientists plan to drill all the way down to the Earth's mantle [2011]
- Hydrocarbons in the deep earth - (Renewable? Maybe..National Academy of Science weights in) [2011]
- Hydrocarbons Deep Within Earth: New Computational Study Reveals How [2011]
- Hydrocarbons Could Form Deep In the Earth From Methane, Not Animal Remains [2011]
- Hydrocarbons in the deep earth (abiogenic) [2011]
- Bacteria devoured methane gas from gulf oil spill, scientists say [2011]
- Life is found in deepest layer of Earth's crust [2010]
- Study: Petroleum-eating microbes significantly reduced gulf oil plume ( Deepwater Horizon oilspill ) [2010]
- New microbe discovered eating oil spill in Gulf [2010]
- Hydrocarbons In The Deep Earth? [2010]
- WHOI scientists find ancient asphalt domes off California coast (Maltenes?) [2010]
- Abiotic Oil and Gas: A Theory That Refuses To Vanish [2010]
- Debunking the Myth of Peak Oil - Why the Age of Cheap Oil is Far From Over [2010]
- Hidden Gas Source Could Speed Global Warming [2010]
- New research rejects 80-year theory of 'primordial soup' as the origin of life [2010]
- Much of the early methane rise can be attributed to the spreading of northern peatlands [2010]
- Abiotic Synthesis Of Methane: New Evidence Supports 19th-Century Idea On Formation Of Oil [2009]
- Scientists Find Black Gold Amidst Overlooked Data [2009]
- New evidence supports 19th century idea on formation of oil and gas [2009]
- Revolutionary discovery means world may not run out of crude [2009]
- Easier to find oil ( Abiogenic ? ) [2009]
- Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions [2009]
- Fossil fuel: Now without the fossils-Just dig deeper, say boffins [2009]
- A Seismic Shift In Understanding How The Earth Got Its Gas [2009]
- Can Hydrocarbons Form in the Mantle Without Organic Matter? [2009]
- Hydrocarbons in the deep Earth? (Oil comes from non-plant sources) [2009]
- New research shows how oil gets stuck underground (Denmark) [2009]
- Methane-producing mineral discovered on Mars [2009]
- Half Of The Oil In The Ocean Bubbles Up Naturally From Seafloor [2009]
- Life found on Mars? [2009]
- BBC Audio: Dyson and Clarke (archive of BBC interviews with Freeman Dyson,Arthur C. Clarke & more!) [2008]
- The List: The World's Largest Untapped Oil Fields [2008]
- Plumes of methane identified on Mars - Finding could influence choice of landing site for Mars... [2008]
- One is the loneliest number for mine-dwelling bacterium [2008]
- At 2.8 km down, a 1-of-a-kind microorganism lives all alone [descende, Audax viator ...] [2008]
- Rare Microorganism That Produces Hydrogen May Be Key To Tomorrow's Hydrogen Economy [2008]
- Meet the Intraterrestrials [2008]
- Scientists Document Bustling Community Far Below Ocean Floor [2008]
- Dinosaur killer may have struck oil [2008]
- Titan Has More Oil Than Earth [2008]
- Titan Has More Oil Than Earth [2008]
- Titan Has More Oil Than Earth [2008]
- Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth [2008]
- BLACK-GOLD BLUES Discovery backs theory oil not 'fossil fuel' [2008]
- Deep-ocean vents are a source of oil and gas (evidence of abiogenic hydrocarbons) [2008]
- Lost City pumps life-essential chemicals at rates unseen at typical black smokers [2008]
- Shedding light on deep-sea thermal vents [2008]
- Oil-eating bacteria make light work of heavy fuel [2007]
- Massive deep-water oil find in Brazil challenges technology [2007]
- Newly Discovered Methane-Consuming Bacterium Could Help Reduce GHG Emissions ... [2007]
- Energy answers sought in Earth's crust [2007]
- 'Peak oil' doomsayers fall silent as reserves grow ever larger [2007]
- Rebel with a Cause: The Optimistic Scientist [2007]
- Sea floor records ancient Earth [2007]
- The Origins of Peak Oil Doomerism [2006]
- If hydrocarbons are renewable- then is "Peak Oil" a fraud? [2006]
- CNBC Live: Earth Oil Supplies 3x Previous Estimates [2006]
- Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil (error in DRUDGE story - UPI may fix) [2006]
- Prospecting for Oil? Look In an Asteroid Crater [2006]
- Plenty of Oil -- Just Drill Deeper [2006]
- Peak oil theorists don't know Jack ( It Could Increase U.S. Reserves by 50% ) [2006]
- Marine Methane Heats Things Up [2006]
- Time Before Time [speculative cosmology] [2006]
- Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming [2006]
- Oil Is Well: The Shortage Is A Myth, And Not A New One [2006]
- Does Deep Earth Host Untapped Fuel? [2006]
- UC Riverside Researchers Identify Clay as Major Contributor to Oxygen that Enabled Early Animal Life [2006]
- Perspective: India's next big business? (Oil) [2005]
- 'Fossil fuel' theory takes hit with NASA finding [2005]
- At 30,000 feet down, where were the dinosaurs? [2005]
- Finally, an international conference on abiotic oil [2005]
- What if we don't run out of oil? [2005]
- Shaped from clay [origin of life] [2005]
- Methane on Mars: the plot thickens [2005]
- LINK LISTING - Space Propulsion Techniques and Technologies [2005]
- Hydrogen Production Method Could Bolster Fuel Supplies [2004]
- Fossil Fuels Made without Fossils [2004]
- A new potential source of fuel, buried deep underground ~ methane gas created in lab with rocks only [2004]
- About Coal: America's most abundant energy resource [2004]
- Abiotic Theory of Oil Formation [2004]
- Petroleum age is just beginning [2003]
- Anything into Oil(solution to dependence on foregn oil?) [2003]
- Oil Without End? [2003]
- Early Water on Earth [2003]
- Research Finds Life 1000 Feet Beneath Ocean Floor [2003]
- Supplies of oil may be inexhaustible [2002]
- Potential oil supply refill? [2002]
- Oil Fields' Free Refill - More oil than we thought (maybe) [2002]
- Huge hydrogen stores found below Earth's crust [2002]
- The world has more oil not less [2001]
- Scientist stirs the cauldron: oil, he says, is renewable [2001]
- Oil Czar and ally [2001]
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posted on
11/14/2019 3:12:14 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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