BLACK-GOLD BLUES Discovery backs theory oil not 'fossil fuel'

WND ^ | February 1, 2008 | By Jerome R. Corsi

[Fred Nerks]

New evidence supports premise that Earth produces endless supply

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A study published in Science Magazine today presents new evidence supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is a natural product the Earth generates constantly rather than a "fossil fuel" derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.

The lead scientist on the study – Giora Proskurowski of the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington in Seattle – says the hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in the Lost City Hydrothermal Field were produced by the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in the mantle of the earth.

The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature, created by the deterioration of biological material deposited millions of years ago in sedimentary rock and converted to hydrocarbons under intense heat and pressure.

While organic theorists have posited that the material required to produce hydrocarbons in sedimentary rock came from dinosaurs and ancient forests, more recent argument have suggested living organisms as small as plankton may have been the origin...

[Fred Nerks]

"Our findings illustrate that the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in nature may occur in the presence of ultramafic rocks, water and moderate amounts of heat," Proskurowski wrote.

The study also confirmed a major argument of Cornell University physicist Thomas Gold, who argued in his book "The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels" that micro-organisms found in oil might have come from the mantle of the earth where, absent photosynthesis, the micro-organisms feed on hydrocarbons arising from the earth's mantle in the dark depths of the ocean floors.

[AmericaUnited]

It’s about time those big lovable dinos stop getting blamed for the evil black goo...

[Fred Nerks]

Giora Proskurowski

Lost City is a hypothermal field some 2,100 feet below sea level that sits along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at the center of the Atlantic Ocean, noted for strange 90 to 200 foot white towers on the sea bottom.

In 2003 and again in 2005, Proskurowski and his team descended in a scientific submarine to collect liquid bubbling up from Lost City sea vents.

[neb52]

Ping. Has anything been said about this in your industry? I thought I read about old wells being found to have “refilled” when drillers went back to see if they could get anything out of them.

[CarrotAndStick]

So, basically, the Muzzies have an endless supply of wealth, to wage jehad with.

Plus,this is from WND.

[Fred Nerks]

The Mid-Atlantic Ridge hosts numerous hydrothermal fields (colored dots). Logatchev, Rainbow and Saldahna are underlain by variable mixtures of deeper crustal rocks (gabbros and peridotite) and both Logatchev, Rainbow host high-temperature black smokers. The other fields are also sites of black smokers, but are hosted on volcanic rocks. Lost City is currently the only known hydrothermal field composed solely of carbonate chimneys. Image courtesy of University of Washington.

[jimtorr]

.....old wells being found to have “refilled”.......

One example is the oil field under downtown Los Angeles. Most of it was pumped dry 50 - 60 years ago, but starting about ten years ago, they found that the fields had refilled to such an extent that oil was seeping into the sewer system.

[snowsislander]

The abstract for Abiogenic Hydrocarbon Production at Lost City Hydrothermal Field in the current issue of Science is located at here.

There is also a related thread at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963050/posts.

[bruinbirdman]

"the Lost City Hydrothermal Field "

Isn't this the same place that life is supposed to have begun? I think I read that on a recent thread.

Stand to reason then, if the process for life creation exists in these "close mantel" areas, oil creation (hydro carbon) is not a far leap.

yitbos

[trumandogz]

In any production well drilled you can only effectively extract 30% of the oil and every 10 or 20 years you can rework the well with new technologies and extract additional oil if it is cost effective.

As far as abiotic oil is concerned, it is a hoax. If it were not a hoax the Russians who have been claiming to have abiotic oil would see their production increase.

[wita]

One more proof for my unscientific theory that “fossil” fuels is just a convenient whipping boy for the green persuasion, and has absolutely no relation to reality, or science.

Which only helps to point out that those of the radical green persuasion much less the normal environmental protection nazis, have no interest in science or reality.

Their interest is in exposing God for the faulty creation, and placing themselves in the position of savior. To rectify the mistakes made, however long ago they were made. Chutzpa!

[43north]

Read Thomas Gold’s “The Deep, Hot Biosphere”.

The abiotic theory of hydrocarbon genesis has been widely believed by the Russians and Ukrainians for a long time. It is heresy to speak of this theory in western oil companies.

I used to work for BP in Alaska. Their geologists would have a hard time finding oil in the automotive section of a Costco store. That they believe crude is nothing more than dead dinosaur goo doesn’t surprise me.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/319/5863/604

thanks for the link to the Abstract. I missed the previous thread.

[AmericaUnited]

If it were not a hoax the Russians who have been claiming to have abiotic oil would see their production increase.

What if it took hundreds/thousands of years to produce a large quantity?

[Fred Nerks]

Their geologists would have a hard time finding oil in the automotive section of a Costco store...

I'm an Aussie. What happened? The US was once in the forefront of everything...now, anything different or new is automatically derided and discarded out of hand. It's not an attitude that augers well for the US of A.

[43north]

None of the corporate bureaucrat types I encountered was capable of thinking outside the box.

You don’t find much innovation in most large corporations. All decisions are made by committees so that nobody gets fingered when things go wrong. Just like government.

There’s plenty of innovative thinking around - just not in big bureaucracies.

[airborne]

Which makes it completely stupid forus not to drill in America!

[gondramB]

Good find. But we need a better source. That WND article is a touch hysterical - its bordering on dishonest.

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20080202/fob1.asp

The headline, that oil is suddenly no longer a fossil fuel, in particular is not related to the original article or the facts.

They have found a vent that is alkaline instead of acidic and it lets trace amounts of simple organic compounds form.

While this is cool, it does not mean that other 99.9% of fossil fuels no longer come from organic matter or that we suddenly have any more fuel than before.

The article doesn’t say it but I would guess the water has iron or cobalt and that the process is similar to that used to produce synthetic fuel, like the gasification of coal.

This is a very cool find because its organic building blocks being built non-organically - but there is so much methane in the universe we knew it wasn’t all coming from plants. But here on earth that is mainly where it comes from.

[Fred Nerks]

Just off the top of my head...as a citizen of DownUnder, it would appear that Science in the US has become so politicized it’s no longer science at all...but ideology. Sorry to say, the situation reminds me of the USSR!

...Thinking of Al Gore and the global warming hoax, for example. Stalin would have been so proud of him: Frighten the sheeple with the WEATHER!

[John Valentine]

As far as abiotic oil is concerned, it is a hoax.

Whatever else it may be: visionary, wrong, spot-on, whatever, one thing the abiotic theory is NOT, is a hoax.

"Hoax", per Random House Unabridged Dictionary: "something intended to deceive or defraud".

Maybe you ought to check a dictionary first the next time you want to sling words around, looking a bit like a "hoax" yourself, in the process.