Posted on 05/17/2019 10:59:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
A team of marine archaeologists has uncovered a 3,600-year-old shipwreck in the Mediterranean, just off the coast of Antalya, Turkey. The ship, believed to have been a merchant vessel sailing from Cyprus, may be the oldest ever discovered, according to Haaretz...
Based on its position and the large cargo of copper ingots found inside and around the wreck, it is likely to have been a trading ship, ferrying goods from Cyprus to the Aegean region.
Although the ship is in very poor condition, and the hull has been almost completely destroyed, the bulk of the ship, together with its precious cargo, has survived, making this a remarkable and extremely rare find...
...the team discovered 73 copper ingots inside the wreck. Weighing around 1.5 tons, this immense supply of copper was shaped into "pillow-like" ingots, characteristic of the late Bronze Age. The shape of the ingots allowed Öniz to date the wreckage to before 1400 BC, as from this point onwards, copper was transported as "ox-hide" ingots with a peculiar and distinctive shape...
Copper was an extremely important and valuable commodity in the Late Bronze Age, and Öniz speculates that the ship could have been travelling to one of a number of destinations in the eastern Mediterranean, including Mycenae, Troy, or other important settlements where copper was in high demand for use in weapons manufacture...
Other shipwrecks discovered off the coast of Turkey dating to the Late Bronze Age have also been found carrying large amounts of copper, and isotope analysis has shown that it was usually mined on the island of Cyprus...
The analysis showed that more cargo and part of the ship are buried beneath the seabed, which lies around 50 meters (165 feet) below sea level.
(Excerpt) Read more at thevintagenews.com ...
Ingots on the seabed off Antalya, from the oldest-known shipwreck in the world | Haaretz | Published on April 16, 2019 | Video credit: Tahsin Ceylan
A group of Turkish underwater researchers has found a 3,600-year-old Bronze Age shipwreck, which could be the world's oldest shipwreck, off the shores of southern Turkey's Antalya province. | 3,600-year-old shipwreck discovered in Turkey | VTV World | Published on Apr 10, 2019
Looks like a bad spot for ships, for a long, long while.
Exploring the blue depths of the Aegean and Mediterranean
TurkishPress.com | Monday, Aust 4, 2008 | By Levent Konuk
Posted on 08/04/2008 4:27:23 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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This new discovery, so long after these other wrecks, will be a great opportunity to start a new excavation with the advantage of many technological advancements. At this stage, only typological evaluations can be made, since the newly-discovered wreck is still in situ. Comparison with the Kyme Ingots, the Bucholz/Bass classification and the prevalence of the shape in Egyptian representations all point to the possibility that the wreck should be dated to the 16th–15th centuries bc. If so, this new wreck in Antalya of unique scientific value. Many modern methods such as 14C and lead isotope analysis, along with the excavation will certainly provide clearer, more accurate information.
That image you posted on the left says the tablet and statues were found in Michigan while the pendant was found in an Ohio river bed. Images from “Ancient American Magazine”. How reliable or true are these finds? Ancient American has unwittingly published hoaxes before.
Should probably consult Kramer, “Astonishing Tales of the Sea.”
Still no answer about the question on the image from Ancient American: Archaeology of the Americas before Columbus.
One video on Ancient American
Minoans in America and the Copper Trade
by Roger Jewell - one hour and nineteen minutes.
Yeah I’ve read most of what he’d written, but that is insufficient to answer the real or hoax question.
Form your link:
“During this thousand-year period of mining, some of the miners must have explored the continent to the west, as evidenced by strangely large skeletons in a lot of places, such as the red-haired giants who came by boat to Lovelock Cave on Lake Lahontan (Nevada), that were found in 1924 with fishnets and duck decoys (Ref.77).”
The red haired giants is an interesting question. I have been to Lovelock Cave on numerous occasions. Unfortunately there are no artifacts remaining or any traces of the original discovery in the 1920s at the cave. There are rumored to be skeletons sequestered by court order in the Nevada State Museum in Carson City. I have investigated this and have not been able to get a comment from Museum leadership. Also, the timeline from the Piautes is not definitive and does not lend itself to traditional research. There is also a faction of the Paiute tribe that do not want the old ways discussed or talked about and have actually outlawed (in tribal terms) discussing the ancient history with Europeans.
Two things of note. The Piautes are by heredity a short people. I believe this comes from a life they were having sparse resources and natural selection picked the ones that required less resources to survive. So any other humans of what would be considered normal size in Europe during this timeframe would appear to be giants to the Piautes. It should also be noted that Bronze Age humans were short by our standards today.
I am planning to spend some time this Summer further investigating this story.
The “ox-hide” ingots look easier to handle and ship.
Thanks Fred Nerks.
Comparison with the Kyme Ingots, the Bucholz/Bass classification and the prevalence of the shape in Egyptian representations all point to the possibility that the wreck should be dated to the 16th–15th centuries bc. If so, this new wreck in Antalya of unique scientific value. Many modern methods such as 14C and lead isotope analysis, along with the excavation will certainly provide clearer, more accurate information.
When wood from the Uluburun II was RC dated, the wood turned out to be too young, so the sample was claimed to not to have been from the wreck, merely cargo. Really? Then why did you test it? :^)
The latest ring from the lumber was claimed to match the established ring sequences, making the latest ring 1305 BC, which is a floor beneath which the dating of the ship can't go, and that assumes that there are no later dates to be found, and that the ship was built in the year 1305 BC, and sank on its maiden voyage. Ships weren't built from year-old trees, or from green lumber.
Peter James et al point out that from the words in the report, the RC sequences of the rings (whatever they were) were actually *not* matched to the established sequences (it's often called a wiggle match), but rather eyeballed to see if the sequence of the widths of the rings matched.
A gold scarab of Nefertiti (conventional date c. 1370 to c. 1330 BC) was found on Uluburun II, which was also saddled on right away, but it showed a lot of wear from handling, probably centuries' worth). That was the reason the ring match was looked for in the 14th century. And NOT found. And why trying to measure the widths of the rings was done and the RC results presumably thrown out. The team that did the testing are strong advocates of a sort of master chronology from tree rings have actually bailed on their earlier eyeballing finding.
Fred's graphic appears to be facing pages, with the material about the Mediterranean wrecks on the left side.
Thanks ETL.
Yup, that's the reason they were cast that way, it wasn't done to resemble an ox-hide, that's just a natural result. :^)
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