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/src on/I am shocked students are turning away from a field where the bible for American History is Howard Zinn, and the professors are more interested in studying transsexual lesbian people of color prostitutes in Medieval Ghent./src off/
1 posted on 12/11/2018 7:55:14 AM PST by C19fan
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They don’t teach history anymore. A history class is like a rally for Stalin in the old USSR


2 posted on 12/11/2018 7:57:37 AM PST by BigEdLB (BigEdLB, Russian BOT, At your service)
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Ping.


3 posted on 12/11/2018 7:58:38 AM PST by Black Agnes
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Many history departments have become another extension of the Social Justice Warrior garbage where the latest PC fad of the day is tarted-up with the trappings of the very discipline that it compromises.


4 posted on 12/11/2018 7:59:35 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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They're better off researching history on their own. Even that's getting tough, with revisionism and new priorities. Sociology and geography disappearing has had a negative impact, too. Those subjects taught people to recognize and respect cultural and national differences. Economics is not commonly studied, either. If it were, less people would succumb to a lifetime of financial servitude starting with those college loans. Civics and Problems of Democracy are all but gone, too.....with that disappears respect for the rule of law and understanding of our form of government and what we as citizens need to do to participate in a positive way. And, oh yeah, those life and vocational skills have bit the dust.

What a wonderful education is being provided....for the enslavement of 90% of the global population!

5 posted on 12/11/2018 8:04:18 AM PST by grania ("You don't give power to an angry left wing mob")
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If the future could have been seen then, our Greatest Generation may well have taken paths of less resistance than they did. Wouldn’t that be “ironic”?


6 posted on 12/11/2018 8:04:59 AM PST by equaviator
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Part of it also, could be that majoring in history does not lead to any sort of job or career path.

How many jobs do we ever see for history majors?


7 posted on 12/11/2018 8:07:21 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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‘Tis a sad state of affairs. Barely one percent of college students studying history, and of that, almost none of them will study basic questions of war and peace.


8 posted on 12/11/2018 8:09:16 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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Have ya heard the one bout Honest Abe???????

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10 posted on 12/11/2018 8:19:10 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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Yup, you are totally right about that.

I was a history major back in the 80’s when the faculty in my department started having a daily orgasm over Howard Zinn. By now the guy’s work has totally infected every history textbook available on this continent.


13 posted on 12/11/2018 8:22:21 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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This is nothing new. When I was teaching econ, I typically had over 130 students in three classes. One history Full Prof had 4 students in three classes, and this was in the 1980’s. True, he was a bad teacher, but the university couldn’t fire him. However, some blame has to fall on the “feeder” institutions that are putting out students like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_pw8duzGUg


14 posted on 12/11/2018 8:24:02 AM PST by econjack
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Watch it, buddy. I’m a transsexual lesbian.


16 posted on 12/11/2018 8:27:35 AM PST by Rinnwald
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I graduated from a university which trains historians in the classical manner. Let me explain what that is. When a good historian does research, he will look at everything first before making any assumptions. This tactic is what a good detective does when looking at a crime scene. You are not supposed to jump to conclusions before all the information has been studied. To do so dirties up the crime scene and you end up with something you can't take to a court of law.

Good historians read everything and take their time to understand their result. The biggest crime an historian can make is to come up with the assumption first and gear everything to make their assumption the end result. That is like a detective going after one person when all the evidence points to someone else. Imagine how upset you would be if your favorite crime show began ignoring glaring evidence. You wouldn't trust them would you?

Lots of lawyers used to first graduate with a bachelors in history because it was the method that best trained a lawyer to do discovery. That was when academics had a more logical bent to it. Now not so much. Instead now subjectivity rules the day.

Now for my personal pet peeve - when they decided to change BC and AD to BCE and CE. WTH is that?

17 posted on 12/11/2018 8:27:46 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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The pity is, there are lots of businesses who could use people who are trained historians.

What does a historian (as distinct from just a history major) do? He goes through piles of primary source documents (reports, letters, diary entries, memos) and distills the information down into an understandable narrative of “what happened, why it happened, who primarily made it happen, and what factors contributed to it happening”.

There are LOTS of business executives who would wish they had people on their staffs who could do that.


18 posted on 12/11/2018 8:27:51 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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I'm less concerned about people not majoring in history than I am about people in other majors being ignorant of history. I attended a good liberal arts school. I majored in physics, but was required to take a lot of liberal arts courses, including not only history but literature, economics, a foreign language, etc. I spent a career as an engineer. I'm grateful for all those non-technical courses I wouldn't have taken if they hadn't been required. As my high school English teacher used to say, a technical education teaches you how to make a living. A liberal education teaches you how to live. She was right.
19 posted on 12/11/2018 8:28:03 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF)
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The article brings up some very important trends in education and society in general, but it seems overwritten.
A good editor could have skimmed away about 25% of the copy and still ended up with solid messages. There was much redundancy. Perhaps this was a collaborative effort, with multiple contributors.

As one poster here noted, there are limits on how many historians can be easily employed at any given time. Career educators tend to stay in one spot for quite some time.
The other reason is the rise and saturation of ‘Touchy-Feely’ historians who primarily focus on individual emotional impact of events, vs overall societal impacts and consequence.


22 posted on 12/11/2018 8:37:58 AM PST by lee martell (AT)
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History does not matter when all truth is formed by political narrative to secure more power over the masses, even more so when all truth becomes non negotiable under complete tyranny.
There will be nothing to learn from, “imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.”


27 posted on 12/11/2018 8:52:54 AM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.,)
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I remember reading a letter to the editor from a graduate of North Texas State with a history degree. He moaned that the only thing he got from his education of any use was learning how to type.


33 posted on 12/11/2018 9:54:09 AM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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That’s because Academia has been absolutely infested with PC Revisionists in history especially. Their goal is not to educate but rather to indoctrinate. If you disagree with the new PC Revisionist orthodoxy, you will not get hired and you will not get tenure.

There is some good news. To the great frustration of the hardcore left win PC Revisionists, the public is very skeptical of what they “teach”. Their efforts to delegitimize authors and anyone else outside the Academy have failed and several books about history written by those outside the clutches of the Academy have been among the top sellers in History in recent years.

and yes I was a history major. If I had it to do all over again, I would not have chosen history as my major. I’ve learned far more history since leaving college than I ever did doing my coursework in college.


35 posted on 12/11/2018 10:57:01 AM PST by FLT-bird
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History was a required subject.

It isn’t any more?..................


38 posted on 12/11/2018 1:17:08 PM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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Why would any woman get a degree in history when she can get an unMrs degree


40 posted on 12/11/2018 3:27:33 PM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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