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Naysaying 16 Years Later
http://www.nathanwinograd.com ^ | August 10, 2018 (updated) | By Nathan & Jennifer Winogra

Posted on 09/11/2018 1:51:06 PM PDT by Tarasaramozart

"Pit bull adoption bans do not reduce dog bites or dog severity, but they do kill a lot of dogs (and, according to an article in the Washington Post, are likely motivated by racism). They are, however, supported by Merritt Clifton. Indeed, a columnist for The Huffington Post called Clifton “the academic impostor behind the pit bull hysteria”.

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One of the reasons why breed bans have been overturned in cities where they have been impemented is that they have not been effective in reducing dog aggression. Links are embeded in article. Please go to source and read article. No... not click bait, trying to educate people. I politically read pro and con, get both sides odf picture. Too many of us are like the five blind men and the elephant. Get the complete picture.
1 posted on 09/11/2018 1:51:06 PM PDT by Tarasaramozart
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To: Tarasaramozart

So what are the statistics on how many people are killed every year by pit bulls compared to all other breeds?


2 posted on 09/11/2018 1:57:56 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Tarasaramozart

Well then (in the interest of promoting at leart minimal education) let’s point out that dogs bred for fighting and for herding huge lifestock need to be handled at all times by people trained for those endeavors, and it takes a blithering idiot to promote those breeds as pets for the general populace.


3 posted on 09/11/2018 1:59:35 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Tarasaramozart

There’s no data in that story to support the claim in the OP.


4 posted on 09/11/2018 2:01:16 PM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: MrEdd

Yep, Heelers are great dogs but horrible pets.


5 posted on 09/11/2018 2:08:12 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Tarasaramozart

The argument is similar to saying there’s no point in keeping jihadis out of the country because most murders aren’t done by jihadis.


6 posted on 09/11/2018 2:09:39 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 1)
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To: Tarasaramozart; Norski

Norski, head’s up (check your mail, too).


7 posted on 09/11/2018 2:12:30 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: Tarasaramozart

No... not click bait, trying to educate people. I politically read pro and con, get both sides odf picture. Too many of us are like the five blind men and the elephant. Get the complete picture.

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Not click bait? I think it is.

You want us to get the complete picture? Then post the damn article.

And if you must excerpt, then do it correctly.


8 posted on 09/11/2018 2:18:31 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Rats, RINO's and O-Tips. They all want Sessions to stay.)
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To: Tarasaramozart
If humane groups are truly interested in solving overpopulation, then their primary focus must be on spay/neuter.

This is really the best method of reducing the number of dogs and cats killed in dog pounds every year. A free or near free spay and neutering would allow the poorest to get their animals fixed. That means communities, cities, states, or the feds must subsidize the vets who do the work.

As for Pit Bulls; you would be better off talking to a rock. The ignorance here is off the charts. One of the best dogs I've ever had is a Staffie in the PB family. She's a mom to the other 3. Great dogs but like any good dog they must be treated with respect. You can't find a dog more willing to please their human which is also why they are so easily abused and made to be mean. I'd like to see the people who do that put in prison for the expected life of the dog. Ten years will do.

9 posted on 09/11/2018 2:20:38 PM PDT by Boomer
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To: Bryanw92
There’s no data in that story to support the claim in the OP.

Searching for "Owner killed by chihuahua, Russell Terrier, or Yorkshire Terriers" has still failed to find a single instance.

10 posted on 09/11/2018 2:29:17 PM PDT by publius911 (Rule by Fiat-Obama's a Phone and a Pen)
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To: publius911

>>Searching for “Owner killed by chihuahua, Russell Terrier, or Yorkshire Terriers” has still failed to find a single instance.

The pit bull apologists usually fix their data by excluding a lot of pit bull mix dogs from the pit bull attack number and they assign those dogs to the “other than pit bulls” category. That helps to even out the numbers to make their kill-breed seem less dangerous in the final percentages.


11 posted on 09/11/2018 2:32:28 PM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: Responsibility2nd

Not click bait? I think it is.
You want us to get the complete picture? Then post the damn article.
And if you must excerpt, then do it correctly.

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My thoughts exactly.


12 posted on 09/11/2018 2:37:58 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.)
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To: antidemoncrat

As requested:

In the 13-year period of 2005 through 2017, canines killed 433 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths. (DogBite.org)

Anyone that says they are not more dangerous than other dogs is full of crap.


13 posted on 09/11/2018 2:56:01 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: MPJackal

I’d engage you in a debate but I know your type. Your feet are solidly in 2 blocks of cement and you’re not gonna budge no matter what facts or just simple common sense is fed to you.

Enjoy your ignorance. You’re not alone. Lots of folks wearing cement shoes around here.

Is it true what they say about ignorance being bliss?


14 posted on 09/11/2018 3:01:38 PM PDT by Boomer
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To: MPJackal

I recall the same hysteria over Dobermans and German Shepard Dogs in the 70s. Pits are very popular in a post 9/11 America. There is just more of the breed these days. Pure hysteria.


15 posted on 09/11/2018 3:04:34 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Tarasaramozart

This sounds like the logic for denying the death penalty. “The rate of crimes do not go down if we execute criminals”, they say. “The crime rate drops 100 percent for the criminals executed,” is the retort.

Similarly, you can say the rate of dog violence does not go down with pit bull bans, but it should for the dogs that are euthanized.


16 posted on 09/11/2018 3:04:54 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (CNN - the most busted name in news.)
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To: MPJackal
lolol

Those stats remind me of the FBI stats

Image result for stats crimes by blacks

I know this has been debunked. But the true facts are out there.

 

PIT BULL LIVES MATTER.

 

 

17 posted on 09/11/2018 3:24:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Rats, RINO's and O-Tips. They all want Sessions to stay.)
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To: Boomer
“I’d engage you in a debate but I know your type.”

You don't know sh!t about me. And I'm not going to budge based on facts? Yet I give you facts 66% of FATAL dog attacks are from Pit-bulls. That is a FACT. 187 breeds in the USA and 66% of fatal attacks are Pit-bulls. I love dogs. I have three, all rescued. I was a Dog Handler in the Army for several years. And I still don't trust dogs 100%. Everyone has good and dab days, including dogs. The only problem is that when a Pit-bull has a bad day, it could also be a bad day for some human in the vicinity.

So go ahead wise guy, debate me.

18 posted on 09/11/2018 3:25:00 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Boomer; MPJackal

Ignorance?

MP is posting facts. With verifiable links to back them up.

Here’s something else we all know...

Well, here goes: Studies have shown that owners of pit bulls are more likely to have criminal records and more likely to display antisocial behavior than owners of more common and less-vicious breeds.

There’s a shocker.

The studies, published in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence and the Journal of Forensic Sciences, were titled “Ownership of High-Risk (Vicious) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors” and “Vicious Dogs: The Antisocial Behaviors and Psychological Characteristics of Owners.”

https://www.denverpost.com/2014/07/25/tosches-what-we-know-about-pit-bull-owners/

Again. This is no surprise to normal people.

Pit bull owners are among the most obnoxious bullies I’ve ever see.

It is no surprise that angry, aggressive and hostile people own angry, aggressive and hostile dogs.


19 posted on 09/11/2018 3:36:41 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Rats, RINO's and O-Tips. They all want Sessions to stay.)
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To: Boomer
As for Pit Bulls; you would be better off talking to a rock. The ignorance here is off the charts.

Numbers lie.
Statistics are discriminatory.
News reports are twisted.
First hand accounts are largely embellished.
Hard, cold, factual data, is just too hard and cold to be believed.

Alrighty. Now that we've dispensed with that, yours is the only viewpoint left. You win!

20 posted on 09/11/2018 3:37:59 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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