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What are the pros and cons of having women in the US military?
https://www.quora.com/ ^ | Wed, 08/29/18 | M.S. Bailey M.S. Bailey,

Posted on 08/29/2018 6:50:55 PM PDT by daniel1212

As a medic I was overawed when I arrived at Ft. Sam Houston. There were SO MANY WOMEN. It was like some sort of strange paradise. At first. I realized very quickly that every OTHER company at 232nd Medical Battalion was as high as 70% female.. Very quickly as our combat deployment approached, I became increasingly convinced that my company was in for serious trouble..

Nothing was done to quell my misgivings when two females in the unit essentially got to sit out the deployment by becoming pregnant right before the deployment. During the deployment those doubts and misgivings became full fledged anxiety and fear. When we had incoming the women of my company reacted violently. Almost overnight shaking up occurred. Two of the females lead a campaign against one of the platoon sergeants because they were sure he was acting in a racist manner.

I kept my head down and did my job, and tried to be the best medic I could be, but I utterly HATED the FOB. One woman in an Air Force unit we were colocated with intentionally got herself pregnant so she could go home. What really filled me with outrage is after she got her positive results I overheard her saying she was going to get an abortion as soon as she got home...

Later when I was rotated through MEDDAC I was offered an opportunity to go to West Point. The commander at the time put off writing the recommendation until I was desperate. I ended up having to have the acting commander write the review. Both the commander and acting commander were women and the reviews they wrote made me look like the worst soldier they had ever laid eyes on. My interactions with many of the nurses that were commissioned were negative, especially when my manner was rigid and proper when addressing officers, or of expecting clear and concise orders, and tendency to act immediately or advise them that they were making my assigned duties more difficult than they needed to be.

My second and final deployment as a line medic for an infantry platoon was in many ways the experience I had actually joined the army for. I in no way mean to suggest that combat was joyful, but the way my platoon operated was such a relief. I felt more at home than I ever had in any other unit. During that tour as strange as it may sound I was more stressed on the FOB than I was out in sector, and despite losing guys in truly horrible ways, the platoon was closer, and a tighter group of people. Even when we were given nebulous missions and vague orders it always felt like things got done. We always moved with a sense of purpose.

I think the thing that sealed it for me that made me never want to work in a unit full of women again was something that happened in my first unit after my deployment. As so often happens personnel get rotated out. My platoon went from 20% female to 80%. Within a month all but one were pregnant, injured or proved they couldn’t lift a paperweight and one female medic, myself and one other male ended up doing an entire platoon’s worth of details (with myself and the other male doing all the physical work).

Women are wonderful. They can be talented, and thoughtful. When matched to their aptitudes they can absolutely be an asset to rear echelon units. I have met a few that might be able to keep up with the front line troops if they put in maximum effort. I have not met enough of those women to suggest women on the front lines would be anything other than a bad idea. As much as it pains me to say it, with the exceptions clearly in my mind, I’ve met more than enough of the “bad” females to make me seriously question their inclusion in the army at all.

More than once in my career and after I have heard of minor (and major) infractions being ignored because the person was a woman. I have witnessed women get away with talking back and utter disrespect to officers and NCOs and nothing happened. I have seen the corrosive effect it has on a unit when relationships spring up in a unit. More than once I have witnessed one man forced to do the work of three of his women counterparts because they simply didn’t have the strength, stamina, or in one case fortitude.

As harsh and brutal as it sounds, war is not the place you want anyone to be who is not at their absolute best. Your mission is to do things that can and will kill other people. Sometimes they your own, the enemy or innocent civilians. Screw ups are be lethal. It is neither moral or just to try to shoehorn in women into combat roles because of “equality” when the price of putting unqualified people into those positions is measured in body bags.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: era; feminization; military; militaryreadiness; militarywomen; trumpdod; usmilitary; women
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

Yet, If I made that comment to a female who would not lift that bag of ice, I would be investigated for sexual harassment. See how that crap works? You have a uterus and can lift the bag, can demean sexually and get away with it, I have testicles and can lift the bag, I say that and I am toast.

Therein lies the issue. Double standards of both performance and behavior. Glad I spent most of my time in direct combat roles and units, fewer females the better, for both unit performance and morale.


81 posted on 08/30/2018 5:21:23 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: daniel1212
...but I like one line in particular, "when matched to their aptitudes they can absolutely be an asset to rear echelon units."

The impression I was getting is that he thinks women are an asset in any unit he's not assigned to. So if he boots out all the women then how is he going to get enough men to take their places?

82 posted on 08/30/2018 5:27:24 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Tennessee Nana
Unfortunately I saw a lot of this misconduct and behavior among the females when I served during Nam...

Being late or coming to work drunk...expecting someone else to work their shift was another tactic...

Or finally arriving then sleeping on the job while men had to do their work...

And you never saw a single man do that, huh?

83 posted on 08/30/2018 5:31:08 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: daniel1212

disclaimer: never been in the military

However. I have worked with women and it was in blue collar fields. I’ve seen a couple of tough ones. Not sure of their sexual preference nor does it matter. One was a body builder and she was a tough little thing. Point is, they chose blue collar and were able bodied as any of the men.

What I’ve observed is that once upon a time, the military was very good at placing people where their abilities fit the job. Not all men are physically and/or mentally capable of front line combat. Back in the day, at least in non-war time, people were placed where they fit. I don’t think that’s happening anymore because....racist/sexist/discrimination blah blah.

Something else I’ve noticed. My wife has worked at various places and most all of them were 80-100% female employees including management. From the stories I’ve heard (and the fact that I have 5 older sisters) it seems there’s always a constant drama and some of the women are total backstabbers. Very high turnover rate because they just can’t seem to all get along. Way to much gossip and teen drama, even with 40-50 year old women.

I’ve worked in shops with 100 guys and once in a while, a couple might end up fighting it out in the parking lot and then everyone gets back to work.

The places my wife works at, a dozen women just can’t get things done in a timely and smooth manner because they just can’t get along. Lots of time spent talking about how so and so doesn’t do crap.(while so and so is not there) Meanwhile, a guy would just call out another guy to his face and say “yo, you ain’t doing your job and the rest of us are having to take up the slack”. If we did talk about someone while they’re not there, it would be a quick, “that due ain’t worth a damn”. Not a half hour, high strung conversation.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule. My sister all have good work ethics. Of course, they still can’t get along with each other for any length of time. There’s nothing quite like growing up with a bunch of older red headed sisters.


84 posted on 08/30/2018 5:43:02 AM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: daniel1212

Morale gear is nice to have around but not a war fighting necessity.


85 posted on 08/30/2018 6:57:55 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Splodeyhead is the only cure for MAGAphobia)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Diana in Wisconsin; Drew68; DoodleDawg
Navy drag queen 'Harpy Daniels' is serving looks — and the country
Joshua Kelley, otherwise known by his drag name "Harpy Daniels," is serving looks while serving the country. Stationed on a ship in Yokosuka, Japan, the 24-year-old performs for his fellow Navy sailors while also fulfilling the role of his squadron’s administrative supervisor by day.

86 posted on 08/30/2018 9:15:20 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Daniel1212? Are you the same MAN that’s on my Weekly Gardening Thread? If so, piss off. If not? Piss off.

Yes, Daniel is normally a man's name and that is me, and your seemingly man-hating emotional vindictive response only serves to affirm what the article says. Which is not that women have no place in the military, but their position, of support and not combat or leadership. And which is the general consensus on the comments here.

And which positional is what is most consistent with the Scriptural position, and if you differ with that, then this veteran in the Lord's army - the only one I have been in - will gladly take you on, since you would then be attacking not men, but the word of God. Which is why I hold my position, and not because of any animus toward women (and, thank God for them).

87 posted on 08/30/2018 9:43:01 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212; Diana in Wisconsin
...then this veteran in the Lord's army - the only one I have been in...

No women allowed in the Lord's army I take it?

88 posted on 08/30/2018 9:44:38 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: itsahoot
Joshua Kelley, otherwise known by his drag name "Harpy Daniels,"

I guess we need to kick all the guys out of the military, too?

89 posted on 08/30/2018 9:46:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: LadyDoc
I hate to tell this gut, but medical units often have women.

Which "as a medic" he was certainly aware of, and spoke of

90 posted on 08/30/2018 9:46:47 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: DoodleDawg
I guess we need to kick all the guys out of the military, too?

Not the guys.

The "gays".

Take a look at the link ... dude's a flaming homo.

Guaranteed.

Do ask.

Do tell.

Do expel.

Xlinton and 0bama really screwed up the entire DoD.

91 posted on 08/30/2018 9:49:13 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: DoodleDawg
I guess we need to kick all the guys out of the military, too?

Nope, just the girls and the boys that think they are girls.

92 posted on 08/30/2018 10:01:19 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: itsahoot
Nope, just the girls and the boys that think they are girls.

What about the girls who think they're boys? Can they stay?

93 posted on 08/30/2018 10:06:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: higgmeister
What branch were you in?

No branch, and none needed, for although I greatly esteem those who served, and wish i had myself, what this testimony deals with an transcends the military, that of feminism versus the general Biblical roles and complimentary of men and women in their respective general roles.

94 posted on 08/30/2018 10:07:57 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
If you think women are wusses, wait until you encounter a millennial. You will be begging to have some of those other women back.

Indeed, relatively speaking.

95 posted on 08/30/2018 10:09:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: exDemMom
It sounds to me like this guy has a chip on his shoulder.

It somewhat that to me as well, but I cannot say that for posters to basically affirmed his experience here.

Most medical units do have a high number of women.

In which position I think they are well fit for in general, but not usually in leadership.

96 posted on 08/30/2018 10:12:07 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: DoodleDawg
What about the girls who think they're boys? Can they stay?

I didn't mention girls that think they are boys because girls was all inclusive, meaning not boys.

97 posted on 08/30/2018 10:56:49 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: DoodleDawg
No women allowed in the Lord's army I take it?

Certainly, and again, thank God, and serving in various functions in complimentarity with men, and who spiritually can receive greater rewards for their faith as they do so according the positional/functional distinctions God has ordained , which is why I hold the position that I do, while also trying to serve others, and women in general.

98 posted on 08/31/2018 1:55:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Certainly, and again, thank God, and serving in various functions in complimentarity with men, and who spiritually can receive greater rewards for their faith as they do so according the positional/functional distinctions God has ordained , which is why I hold the position that I do, while also trying to serve others, and women in general.

I've got three men reporting to me at work. I guess I'm doomed.

99 posted on 08/31/2018 4:13:13 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: daniel1212

I’m not for women in the trenches and in
other certain military positions. I don’t think the feminization of our military has done any good; I think we are weaker because of it. But it’s part of the whole PC movement, and that has made us weaker overall.

(Apparently God didn’t have a problem placing Deborah in a high commanding position in the field. Something I think about.)


100 posted on 08/31/2018 4:34:04 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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