Bloodstains on Shroud of Turin are probably fake, experts say

Fox News ^ | 07/15/18 | Christopher Carbone

[newfreep]

To this day, no one has been able to replicate the 3D image on the Shroud created when Christ rose from His temporary “death”.

[Alberta's Child]

Except there was no "Ascension to the Father" at that moment in time.

Anomalies in the Shroud -- and by this I mean evidence that doesn't seem to reflect known principles of physical science -- are easily explained: The Shroud is showing signs of something that has never happened before (or since) in human history ... the resurrection of a human being from the dead.

Were so familiar with the Biblical passages about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that it's easy to overlook the physical realities involved. The body of Jesus Christ clearly went through some kind of physical changes that altered its state to one that does not exist among normal human beings in the physical world as we know it.

[cdcdawg]

“... reports BuzzFeed News.”

Oh my, this is serious stuff!

[ealgeone]

I believe in Christ - saves me from worrying about the shroud.

THIS!

[Montana_Sam]

Fake news.

[Pontiac]

The Shroud is showing signs of something that has never happened before (or since) in human history ... the resurrection of a human being from the dead.

Biblically speaking it would be the second time it had happened.

Do not forget Lazarus. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead.

[Phillyred]

The Shroud has very mysterious qualities, such as when run through an MRI machine it has depth as if it was an MRI of an actual person.

[Alberta's Child]

That’s a good point, but there was clearly a difference between the two. Lazarus was raised to his previous “natural” state. When Jesus rose from the dead, He existed in some altered state — presumably in a “glorified state” that had a visible presence but also had come characteristics of a supernatural state — that was not the same as what He was before.

[FlingWingFlyer]

What if these “experts” are probably fake? Then what? Fake “experts” are a dime a dozen these days.

[Montana_Sam]

Correction. I misspoke.

Instead of 'Fake news', I should have said incomplete science.

[DoodleBob]

Ok......Fox is reporting NOT on the original article but from Buzzfeed (!) which is quoting a guy who read the article. I'm surprised they didn't report on Watters asking a random guy on the street about the underlying paper.

If you click through to the underlying paper, you'll see it is based on presentations in 2014 and 2015. Why did it take 4 years to get this thing published? Surely if there was uber-compelling interest they'd have gotten the funding sooner.

Maybe the problem for these researchers is the abundance of evidence to Contrary of their research, including blood nanoparticles on the Shroud consistent with tourture trauma. And so on.

Methinks the timing of this release - and the WTF element of Buzzfeed (yea, dude...that's where I turn for empiracle research results) has some hidden agenda. Regardless, the same "science" these researchers use to "disprove" the Authenticity of the Shroud is increasingly being used to reveal THEIR hoax.

[newfreep]

Yes...and why I mentioned the 3D quality in my post.

A few years ago I visited Turin on a business trip and on my last evening, my host took me to dinner in downtown Turin - surprisingly, it had really extra wide sidewalks. The restaurant was a small shop in an almost alley-like setting - incredible food, though.

Afterwards, we walked around including past the Church of the Shroud - even at night, the feeling was extraordinary.

[Red Badger]

Must have bee done by CNN ancestors...................

[Preachin']

There were a good number of people raised from the dead before Jesus’ personal experience.

[Fedora]

However, Priest cautioned that the conclusions were based on body parts held in a fixed position, rather than accounting for carrying a body, cleaning a body, or preparing a body for burial, which might bear more study.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Held in the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy, the shroud shows the image of a crucified man and has been analyzed and scrutinized for many, many years. The Vatican regards it as an icon, rather than a religious relic—and the church has never weighed in on its authenticity nor officially rejected it."

The image of whomever-it-is is not composed of blood or sweat dripped, painted or daubed on the cloth.It consists of the altered fibers of the cloth itself, encoded with a wealth of accurate 3-dimenstional spatial information, suggesting the hypothesis that it was radiated. Blood splotches, wherever they came from, are extraneous and do not contribute to the image itself.

Therefore to analyze the blood, is not to analyze the image proper.

To say "image" is almost to say too much, since it is practically undetectable to the naked eye, and shows up clearly only with enhanced imaging technologies. This suggests that the image itself was not made intentionally, since for viewing, it would require technologies far beyond what existed either in late Roman antiquity, or the medieval period. It would not have been visible enough to "work" as pictorial propaganda.

That said, the Vatican has, very reasonably, never declared it a relic. It is icon of ---as far as we know --- unprecedented provenance.

[Freee-dame]

According to a documentary I watched, the tests for the shroud’s age are done on a very small piece that was cut from (near?) a corner of the shroud. Since the shroud has been handled for centuries without the kind of care we now use, the corners may be contaminated with more recent DNA.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Jesus did raise Lazarus, the son of the widow of Naim, and several others. Various Prophets of Israel and Apostles also raised the dead.

However, all the other instances were "only" (if it makes sense to say "only") the resuscitation of corpses. They were raised but still mortal; after a time, they aged and died again.

Jesus' resurrection was of an entirely different kind, since he was raised never to die again, with a preternatural body as different from His natural body, as the sprout of living green is different from the grain of wheat that was put into the ground.

[FiddlePig]

The operative words: “probably fake”... which means it’s just so much speculation... as like the word “may” that also means “may not”... “probably” also means “probably not”.

Many who have studied the Shroud have commented... based on the image (a 3D photo negative, source unknown)... the only bigger “miracle” that it be real... is it be “fake”. As of now... NO process to explain the image as man-made has been found. #HeIsRisen!

[cranked]

Ok, okie dokie, take your word for it.....not.