Bloodstains on Shroud of Turin are probably fake, experts say

Fox News ^ | 07/15/18 | Christopher Carbone

[2ndDivisionVet]

And Jarus’s daughter.

[Gil4]

As skr pointed out, the body wasn’t washed. It was placed in a grave quickly to be done before sundown (which marked the start of the Sabbath.) The women were on their way to prepare the body for burial when they discovered the empty tomb.

[lepton]

Yeah, several references in the article suggest that the study was more of a napkin calculation than anything remotely conclusive.

[TheTimeOfMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0wsbxJGuus&t=204s

Watch this and then tell me the shroud is not real.

Cannot locate part 1.

[Swordmaker]

Researchers concluded that the linen seems to be patched with bloodstains from a standing model, not a crucified man or a facedown corpse, reports BuzzFeed News, adding evidence to claims that it is a fraud. . . The investigation into the bloodstain pattern on the cloth was reported Tuesday in the Journal of Forensic Sciences and is apparently the first such analysis of the controversial shroud.

There are so many things wrong with the conclusions of Buzzfeed's 'forensic experts' that I'm at a loss where to start. Concluding that the Shroud seems have been 'patched with bloodstains' to the pattern from a 'standing model or a face down corpse' shows this 'expert' has no concept of the over 100 years of preceding work by world class forensic experts who have experimented with corpses hanging on crosses to find out exactly what way blood flows on a human body due to the blood flow on the image on the Shroud. Those papers can be found here at Scientific Papers at Shroud.com. I could probably list a least a dozen articles by expert forensic investigators and professors of forensic scientists who have done studies on the blood flows on the Shroud in the past hundred years using both corpses and live human subjects.

Instead, 'Matteo Borrini, a forensic scientist at Liverpool John Moores University in the United Kingdom, told BuzzFeed News. “Even a crucified or hanging person should leave a distinct blood pattern on the cloth, which would be fascinating information to have.”

Hello, Professor Borrini, a crucified person is essentially erect, not facedown. That shows Borrini did not even bother to study the current state of the forensic literature on the Shroud before opening his ignorant mouth, or he would have known that these very things he would know these data he would be fascinated to have IS AVAILABLE, and has been published in peer reviewed scientific journals and been replicated, numerous times by experts in the field.

In addition, once dead, a corpse does not continue to bleed. Face down? The only time the body of Jesus would have been face down was when it was being removed from the cross and carried to the tomb, and already dead, a period several hours after Jesus had died. This demonstrates that, once again, this so called 'expert' has not examined the blood stains on the Shroud, nor really thought through his 'theory.'

“The fact that flowing bloodstains exist at all on a deceased body that was reportedly cleaned also raises questions,” he added.

Does Professor Borrini, et al, even know WHY the women were going to the Tomb that Sunday morning when they discovered the body missing? They were going to WASH the body which was NOT done on the eve of the Sabbath because their was literally no time to get done before sundown and the beginning of the period no work was allowed to be done. Ergo, it had not been washed, only packed with herbs and perhaps anointed with oils on the head before the men who had moved it to the tomb rushed out to ritually cleanse themselves before the beginning of the Sabbath. — PING!

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[Bloody Sam Roberts]

The Shroud is showing signs of something that has never happened before (or since) in human history ... the resurrection of a human being from the dead.

Except perhaps for Lazarus.

[heterosupremacist]

Swordmaker wrote:

T Y 4 your expertise, & brock on, Swordmaker...

[sparklite2]

Science is irrelevant.

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You’re soaking in it.

[Simon Green]

Science is irrelevant.

...he typed, posting it to the internet.

[Swordmaker]

I saw the Shroud of Turin on display in Atlanta, Ga around 1980.. I remember impression marks where Jesus was wrapped, and didn’t consider it blood, but sweat, etc from hanging on cross. There would have been blood from Crown of Thorns, no doubt. The Shroud of Turin has caused many scientists, who were skeptical to convert to Christianity, when in contact with it. The power of the Shroud is spiritual....

The Shroud has never been out of Italy since the 14th Century. You must have seen a reproduction or large scale photograph.

[Ambrosia]

Here is link: The year was about 1980, I was in Atlanta, GA for my EO position. It was official showing of life size replica....it was an anointed exhibit, and very good.

http://www.shroudofturinexhibition.com/Shroud_of_Turin_exhibition/Home.html

[Ambrosia]

No doubt I saw the 1978 life size photographs. The new exhibits of photographs started much later, however I did recognize the photographs. After standing in line for such a long time back then, it’s a wonder I remember very much. It was a moving experience spiritually.

The event was crowded like my long lines to view Claude Monet paintings in New Orleans, 1995.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0126/26111.html

[MHGinTN]

I seem to recall one or two incidents in the OT, too.

[editor-surveyor]

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Doesn’t this crap get tiresome?

Why post obvious ploys?

[MHGinTN]

I am fond of the Physicist’s note that the energy producing the images on the cloth was sourced / generated from the inside radiating out, since the image has front and back, without ‘bleed over’ imagery of front onto back or back onto front.

[MHGinTN]

ping

[editor-surveyor]

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Its simply not ‘science,’ its misapplied technology.

99% of the people who invoke ‘science’ haven’t a clue what it is.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “he typed, posting it to the internet.” <<

Said another bumpkin that is incapable of discerning the vast difference betweeen ‘science’ and applied technology.
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[HiTech RedNeck]

If there was to be a suitable answer it might be that it’s a supernatural event and so the way details played out wouldn’t look scientifically natural — this would indict the attempt to use science to explain the supernatural.

Will we believe the shroud is less important than will we believe the Savior.

[Sontagged]

Not accurate:

Jesus after He was risen, trying to show the Disciples He wasn’t a ghost:

“See, touch Me; I am not a Spirit, but flesh and bones”