Climate Change Models & Hurricanes, Will God Make A Fool Of Them Again?

A Christian's Worldview ^ | 9/9/17 | Chuck Ness

[OneVike]

I want to begin by sending my condolences to anyone who has lost a loved in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, or Irma. I also offer my prayers for all who have been effected by Harvey's destruction in Texas and those who will be effected by Irma, where ever it may land. I do not mean to discount the suffering many are going through, nor do I want to insult anyone who cares so much for their loved ones that they are evacuating their home for safer ground.

That being said. Why am I so not into how bad Irma is? I mean, for 8 years the Obama administration worked diligently to turn both NASA and the National Weather Service into “Climate Change Command Centers” or as I will affectionately refer to them in my opinion, the (CCCC). Please tell me how can I take it anymore serious than an average Hurricane at best? True, this comes from someone who is more than 3000 miles away looking at clear skies for the next foreseeable future. However, my son, his wife and my grandchildren do live in the Florida Pan Handle.

Look, we are talking about models created by a computer programmer which we all know has been influenced by their desire for us to buy into the Climate Change hoax. All for the purpose of taking our money and our freedom so they turn our country into a 3rd world nation controlled by the despots who are running the UN.

Added to this over hyped event that is steadily covering our eyes with a blanket of wool, is the fact we are continually told by both Democrats and the Republican elitists that we cannot feasibly deport 10 million illegal aliens. Yet, we are now watching 10's of millions of Americans being scared into evacuating Southern and Western Florida? I had to share that because it always goes through my head every time we are told to abandon our homes because of a flood, fire, or hurricane headed our way.

We are seeing the media, and the government doing their best to convince us that their Climate Change programs are positive that this is a category 5 Hurricane bearing down on Florida. Not to mention the chance we take that central Florida could sink into the swamp land. Hey, we all learned from one of the many CCCC Champions, Congressman Hank Johnson, that Guam could possibly tip over if we station 8,000 more marines there. (see this video) So aren't we worried that Central Florida might sink into the abyss? Thus turning Southern Florida into an island. Serious things must be contemplated, when we tell people to abandon their homes.

Hey, I only share that fear, because the CCCC model that was wrong about where Harvey was headed to, is the same model that is telling us Florida is doomed. Think about it? They need storms to be thought of as being bigger, stronger, and more devastating than ever so that charlatans like Al Gore can continue scaring the crap out of the masses of uneducated people who have been indoctrinated by their public education system. So laugh all you want, but in your heart of heart you know I am right.

Think about it, these are the very same people who's computer model said Hurricane Harvey would hit Corpus Christi, then go inland, loop around back into the Gulf, and then slam back into Corpus Christi a second time? Yet, what happened? The darn thing failed to listen to a flawed computer model and instead headed North to Houston where no one was prepared. Consider it well. Millions were caught off guard and many died because another another supporter of CCCC's Climate Change hoax told the citizens of his city not to evacuate. I speak of Houston's Mayor, Sylvester Turner.

I know, I am questioning the evacuation of 10's of millions in Southern and Western Florida, while mocking the Mayor of Houston for not evacuating. Well, my point is not whether or not to evacuate, my point is the computer models we are told are infallible. Why now, after Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate accord are we seeing such huge hurricanes? They need to convince us that Donald Trump is a fool for pulling out of the Paris Accord, and the predicted massive Hurricanes is their proof that Climate change exists, and it's America's fault.  Watch, I expect the accusations will come soon.

As for the destruction in the North East Texas area, it did not turn into a disaster because of high winds destroying things, nor because of any tornadoes that were spawned from it. NO. Houston, and the areas North of it, are disasters because of the water Harvey pulled in with it from the Gulf. Something That Happens With All Hurricanes.

Just so you know I am not against sensible precautions, if you live along the West Coast, or the Gulf regions, don't wait for some politician to tell you what to do. Use your head, and protect your family. I feel I need to add a disclaimer from time to time, because some people will call me callous and uncaring.

I also wonder why they don't make their buildings out of brick and cement instead of having to spend the billions of tax payer dollars to repair things every year after Hurricane season. In places that are prone to earthquakes, we have sensible codes that buildings need to withstand a certain level of earthquakes, but we never seem to use that logic for places that we know will one day be the target of a Hurricane. It's inevitable that a Hurricane will hit someplace along the South Eastern Coast at least once every 10 to 15 years, if not more often.

As for their flawed computer models, I won't be surprised if Hurricane Irma heads into the Gulf. Just look at where it is right now. Irma's direction of path is just 5 degrees North of straight West. Well, I can see this thing getting into the warm waters of the Gulf that will build this thing up to a category 6 or 7 before hitting landfall in a place no one is prepared, and no one has a chance to get out of the way. I'm sure their goofy computer model has room for category 6 and 7 type Hurricanes. It has to, because the CCCC needs Hurricanes to get bigger so they can continue selling Climate Change to the uneducated masses.

Hey, why raise your eyebrow to that? Everything we hear lately is worse than ever before, because of Climate Change. We know it's true because we have that huge CCCC computer model that tells us all the time it's true.

Sorry, but call me skeptical. There are a lot of weather forecasters on television who's reputation is on the line, and after the way Harvey fooled them, they cannot afford to be made to look foolish again. Which means, one way or the other, God WILL surely make a fool out of them again.

[dirtboy]

It did not go westward into the Gulf. It ran northward up the west coast of Florida. Get over yourself.

[dirtboy]

A lot of bad facts in that screed, here is another:

Houston, and the areas North of it, are disasters because of the water Harvey pulled in with it from the Gulf. Something That Happens With All Hurricanes.

It does not happen with all hurricanes, Andrew being a prime example - Andrew was a wind event. Irma was largely a wind event in the islands.

[dirtboy]

Gawd, this column reeks.

I know, I am questioning the evacuation of 10's of millions in Southern and Western Florida, while mocking the Mayor of Houston for not evacuating. Well, my point is not whether or not to evacuate, my point is the computer models we are told are infallible.

No reputable forecaster believes models are infallible. That is why there is a cone of uncertainty around every hurricane forecast track that widens over time.

Think about it, these are the very same people who's computer model said Hurricane Harvey would hit Corpus Christi, then go inland, loop around back into the Gulf, and then slam back into Corpus Christi a second time? Yet, what happened? The darn thing failed to listen to a flawed computer model and instead headed North to Houston where no one was prepared.

More authentic frontier jibberish. The eventual track Harvey took after stalling was pretty much immaterial to Houston. The onset of catastrophic flooding was already underway when Harvey started moving back towards the Gulf.

Seriously, if you are going to bash the AGW crowd, make sure you have your own details straight.

[metmom]

Actually, if anyone wants to bash the AGC, have at it but leave the real meteorologists out of it.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

You are correct. Give it a rest. To continue pursuing me about the matter is abuse. You are going to get in trouble with the mods if you continue with this. I have not been harassing you over the matter.

[dirtboy]

I was pinged to this article, did not realize it was old.

[OneVike]

I stand by what I said which is what many agree with. Harvey projections were off, and millions of Floridians were evacuated when they didn’t have to be.

Next time a hurricane hits and they are warned to leave they won’t, because they were off in their projections. They were warning 20 million plus that the end is near.

Next time many will suffer, because they will not believe the warning.

You want to criticize me fine, but even Rush Limbaugh is now saying the Hurricane was a bust from their predictions.

As for the models, the computer generated and satellite models were programed by Global Warming idiots, which will screw up any information you get.

Computer programs are GIGO, garbage in garbage out.

I have relatives and friends who live in Florida and they are wondering why the hurricane was not as powerful as they are being told is was.

The authorities are still calling it one of the most powerful in recorded history. Well I have a very old friend that is near 90, and he has lived through his share of hurricanes, and he calls the reporting BUll^#^t. His words, not mine.

[OneVike]

It ran northward up the west coast of Florida.

It died at the tip of Florida and became a serious storm system, not a hurricane that skirted the coast to the panhandle. Something Floridians, like my relatives live through often. It's like living in the North and a Winter Storm hits. The media goes nuts. Yet I lived through worse snow storms as a kid.

[dirtboy]

Tell that to the people looking at going without power for two weeks in the sweltering heat, or those flooded in Jacksonville, or those hammered in the Keys or by fallen trees across the state. This storm will rank in the top five in damage even in a weakened state. Had it made landfall as a Cat 5, which was a very distinct possibility until it camped out over the Cuban coast for a day, it could have exceed damages from the next four storms combined. So Florida got lucky.

[dirtboy]

Harvey projections were off,

They were nothing of the sort. You are quibbling over trivial variances in the track long after it stalled and the primary flooding event was underway. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

[OneVike]

Could have would have. Many down there are questioning the report that it was a cat 5. Sorry.

We have had have 3 hurricanes, 2 of which are major hurricanes in Atlantic that we have faced this year so far. This is the 4th in the last 120 years this has happened. The other three times it happened where there were 3 hurricanes with 2 being major ones in Atlantic was 1893, 1961 and 2010.

We are being told by these same experts that Irma was so destructive it would make Harvey look tame by comparison. Yet we know it wasn't as bad as they claimed. Was it bad, yes, like all hurricanes are, but as i said, they were off, as they usually are. That was my point.

Do I have empathy for those suffering? Hell yes, but to bow down and call these people the great gods of the weather? Give me a break. They were WRONG AGAIN!

[OneVike]

They were nothing of the sort. You are quibbling over trivial variances in the track long after it stalled

Wrong!

They were off on Harvey. In the last 24 hours Harvey busted through that wall of High pressure that was supposed to keep it from going North. Were you not paying attention?

As I said, their computer model told everyone that Hurricane Harvey would hit Corpus Christi, then go inland, loop around back into the Gulf, and then slam back into Corpus Christi a second time?

Yet, what happened? The darn thing failed to listen to a flawed computer model and instead busted through that high pressure wall headed North to Houston where no one was prepared.

[metmom]

Criticizing people after the fact is always so easy.

People CANNOT wait until the storm is on them to find out if it’s really going to be as bad as they forecast before they decide to get out of the way.

You CANNOT leave when the storm is on you and increasing in intensity.

You are blaming people and holding them accountable for their warnings beforehand based on knowledge of what ended up happening after the fact.

That is just not right.

And if people choose to ignore the warnings next time and it plays out as forecast, then it’s on them.

But regardless, the NWS is still obligated to tell people what the forecast is showing will happen.

And they never claim pinpoint accuracy anyway. They ALWAYS tell you to watch the cone of uncertainty. When people bug out, they have to know that it means they might not have needed to. It’s only common sense.

But I’ll bet many of them figured it was better to get out of Dodge and come back later than to ride out the storm. And the choice is theirs.

[metmom]

Write better hurricane forecast models yourself if you have such a low opinion of the ones they are using.

Go out and get a degree in meteorology and show everyone how it should be done instead of just sit back and criticize.

[metmom]

Some people wouldn’t be happy unless the whole state looked like ground zero for Hurricane Andrew.

Then they just might condescend that the warnings were not *overhyped*.

[metmom]

Could have would have. Many down there are questioning the report that it was a cat 5. Sorry.

Well when winds reach a certain speed, then it's a Cat 5.

They can *question* it all they want, but they cannot change the facts.

[HereInTheHeartland]

” Many down there are questioning the report that it was a cat 5. Sorry.”

Huh?
It was a cat 5 for days grinding toward Florida. Wind speeds were measured at that rate. The track wasn’t changing.
Had it stayed a cat 5 and ground up the east coast of Florida; damage would have been unimaginable with all the property in that area.
I can’t imagine 185 mph winds over a big swath of a densely populated state.

[jjotto]

Irma was not Cat 5 in Florida. It was Cat 4 at Cudjoe Key and Cat 3 by the time it hit Marco Island and the mainland.

Accurate records in terms of the hairs being split here only go back to 1966.

[antidisestablishment]

My son, who is a corpsman delivering supplies and relocating people in the eastern Caribbean, doesn’t question that Irma was a Cat 5. I know many outsiders would have preferred to see more destruction and death in Florida, but I thank God that the storm diminished so quickly.

Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, but this storm was one for the history books. It’s still affecting both coasts of Florida and other Atlantic states.

[metmom]

I am firmly convinced it was the hand of God that spared FL.

There is no reason otherwise why it should not have been everything they were forecasting.

the many small slight changes that happened that diminished the impact of the storm seem a bit to convenient to be just coincidence.

I don’t think there could have been many other ways in which this storm could lose so much strength otherwise.