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Don’t Assume Conservatives Will Rally Behind Trump
FiveThirtyEight ^ | 2-29-2016 | NATE SILVER

Posted on 02/29/2016 10:27:27 AM PST by Citizen Zed

If Donald Trump wins the Republican presidential nomination, he’ll have undermined a lot of assumptions we once held about the GOP. He’ll have become the nominee despite neither being reliably conservative nor being very electable, supposedly the two things Republicans care most about. He’ll have done it with very little support from “party elites” (although with some recent exceptions like Chris Christie). He’ll have attacked the Republican Party’s three previous candidates — Mitt Romney, John McCain and George W. Bush — without many consequences. If a Trump nomination happens, it will imply that the Republican Party has been weakened and is perhaps even on the brink of failure, unable to coordinate on a plan to stop Trump despite the existential threat he poses to it.

Major partisan realignments do happen in America — on average about once every 40 years. The last one, which involved the unwinding of the New Deal coalition between Northern and Southern Democrats, is variously dated as having occurred in 1968, 1972 and 1980. There are also a lot of false alarms, elections described as realignments that turn out not to be. This time, we really might be in the midst of one. It’s almost impossible to reconcile this year’s Republican nomination contest with anyone’s notion of “politics as usual.”

If a realignment is underway, then it poses a big empirical challenge. Presidential elections already suffer from the problem of small sample sizes — one reason a lot of people, certainly including us, shouldn’t have been so dismissive of Trump’s chances early on. Elections held in the midst of political realignments are even rarer, however. The rules of the old regime — the American political party system circa 1980 through 2012 — might not apply in the new one. And yet, it’s those elections that inform both the conventional wisdom and statistical models of American political behavior.

This doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll be completely in the dark. For one thing, the polls — although there’s reason to be concerned about their condition in the long-term — have been reasonably accurate so far in the primaries. And some of the old rules will still apply. It’s probably fair to guess that Pennsylvania and Ohio will vote similarly, for example.

Still, one should be careful about one’s assumptions. For instance, the assumption that the parties will rally behind their respective nominees may or may not be reliable. True, recent elections have had very little voting across party lines: 93 percent of Republicans who voted in 2012 supported Romney, for example, despite complaints from the base that he was insufficiently conservative. And in November 2008, some 89 percent of Democrats who voted supported Barack Obama after his long battle with Hillary Clinton.

But we may be entering a new era, and through the broader sweep of American history, there’s sometimes been quite a bit of voting across party lines. The table below reflects, in each election since 1952, what share of a party’s voters voted against their party’s presidential candidate (e.g., a Democrat voting Republican or for a third-party ticket). There’s a lot of fascinating political history embedded in the table, but one theme is that divisive nominations have consequences.

In 1972, for instance, about a third of Democrats voted for Richard Nixon rather than George McGovern, who won the Democratic nomination despite getting only about a quarter of the popular vote during the primaries. The Democrats’ tumultuous nomination process in 1968 was nearly as bad, with many defections to both Nixon and George Wallace. The 1964 Republican nomination of Barry Goldwater produced quite a few defections. Primary challenges to Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992 presaged high levels of inter-party voting in November.

There are also some exceptions; Republicans remained relatively united behind Gerald Ford in 1976 despite a primary challenge from Ronald Reagan. And there were high levels of Democratic unity behind Obama in 2008, although one can argue that a party having two good choices is a much lesser problem than it having none it can agree upon.

Overall, however, the degree of party unity during the primaries is one of the better historical predictors of the November outcome. That could be a problem for Republicans whether they nominate Trump or turn around and nominate Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or John Kasich; significant numbers of GOP voters are likely to be angry either way.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that Republicans are bound to lose; I’d agree with David Plouffe’s assessment that a general election with Trump on the ballot is hard to predict and that Trump “could lose in a landslide or win narrowly.” But if I wouldn’t bet on an anti-Trump landslide, I’m also not sure I’d bet against one. The presumption that presidential elections are bound to be close is itself based on an uncomfortably small sample size: While three of the four elections since 2000 have been fairly close, most of them between 1952 and 1996 were not. Furthermore, the closeness of recent elections is partly a consequence of intense partisanship, which Trump’s nomination suggests may be fraying. The last partisan realignment, between about 1968 and 1980, produced both some highly competitive elections (1968, 1976) and some blowouts (1972, 1980).

Although what voters do will ultimately be more important, it will also be worth watching how Republican Party elites behave and how much they unite behind Trump. On Twitter this weekend, there was a lot of activity behind the hashtag #NeverTrump, with various conservative intellectuals and operatives pledging that they’d refuse to support Trump in November. Rubio’s Twitter account employed the hashtag also, although Rubio himself has been ambiguous about whether he’d back Trump.

It’s reasonably safe to say that some of the people in the #NeverTrump movement will, in fact, wind up supporting Trump. Clinton, very likely the Democratic nominee, is a divisive figure, and some anti-Trump conservatives will conclude that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Others will get caught up in the esprit de corps of the election. Some of them might be reassured by how Trump conducts himself during the general election campaign or whom he picks as his running mate.

But I’d be equally surprised if there were total capitulation to Trump. Instead, I’d expect quite a bit of resistance from Republican elites. One thing this election has probably taught us is that there are fewer movement conservatives than those within the conservative movement might want to admit. Rank-and-file Republican voters aren’t necessarily all that ideological, and they might buy into some of the Republican platform while rejecting other parts of it. They might care more about Trump’s personality than his policy views.

But there are certainly some movement conservatives, and they have outsized influence on social media, talk radio, television and in other arenas of political discourse. And if you are a movement conservative, Trump is arguably a pretty terrible choice, taking your conservative party and remaking it in his unpredictable medley of nationalism, populism and big-government Trumpism.

If you’re one of these ideological conservatives, it may even be in your best interest for Trump to lose in November. If Trump loses, especially by a wide margin, his brand of politics will probably be discredited, or his nomination might look like a strange, one-off “black swan” that you’ll be better equipped to prevent the next time around. You’ll have an opportunity to get your party back in 2020, and your nominee might stand a pretty decent chance against Clinton, who could be elected despite being quite unpopular because Trump is even less popular and who would be aiming for the Democratic Party’s fourth straight term in office.

But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower. The realignment of the Republican Party will be underway, and you’ll have been left out of it.


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To: Citizen Zed

Plouffe’s assessment that a general election with Trump on the ballot is hard to predict and that Trump “could lose in a landslide or win narrowly.”

Then again he might WIN in a LANDSLIDE!

The question I have is centered around his first two
years in office. Will the GOPE facilitate the changes
the electorate wants to make by putting Trump in office,
or will they fight him every step of the way. Thereby
throwing away the best chance we have of seeing the
change we believe Trump exemplifies.
Perhaps we can hold the House and Senate for four years
but it’s up for grabs in just two, and what would be
the point of holding it if obstruction is all we see.


41 posted on 02/29/2016 10:49:23 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Citizen Zed

I will go back and read the whole post but when I got to the word “realignment” it hit me like a brick that the GOPe have wanted a middle of the road candidate for years! Why are they not supporting DT? I think it’s because he doesn’t take advice from anyone except his lawyers. LOL


42 posted on 02/29/2016 10:49:25 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Iowa David
I am one of the movement conservatives that is tired of holding my nose and voting for someone year after year. If Trump is the nominee I will have to hold my nose with both hands. Trump is not a conservative, I am. I am also one of those people that make calls and walk precincts. I will not be walking or calling for Trump.

That's about it. And there are lots of us longtime conservatives likewise who cannot stand Trump.

43 posted on 02/29/2016 10:50:02 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: Jay Thomas

See post 35 as Exhibit A.


44 posted on 02/29/2016 10:50:58 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Citizen Zed

I will vote for Trump. Ted Cruz is my first choice, but I would vote for my neighbor’s cat over she-who-shall-not-be-named. So Donald Trump will do.


45 posted on 02/29/2016 10:51:03 AM PST by Rummyfan (Let us now try liberty.)
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To: Citizen Zed

I will vote for Trump, but rally behind him? After he calls Ted Cruz the Biggest Liar he’s ever known? (presumably a Bigger liar than Hillary Clinton?). Well sorry Trumpmaniacs, I don’t owe the Donald diddly squat.


46 posted on 02/29/2016 10:51:44 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (wrote Harry Reid.s only biography www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Citizen Zed

If the “Very Conservative” elites cared so much about “conservatives” they’d have been screaming at congress for the last 8 months (or more) as loudly as they are screaming at Trump and his supporters now. And they’d be screaming at this year’s congress as much as they’re screaming at the voters. Congress will be doing things this year. And they could have already shown this year that the Republican party is conservative. If the establishment isn’t able to get conservative things done when they control congress, then they aren’t much use.

It’s hard for me to see how these people are concerned about conservative ideas and values. It’s easy for me to conclude that they are concerned about staying in charge and have no intent to govern as conservatives.


47 posted on 02/29/2016 10:52:03 AM PST by LostPassword
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To: Citizen Zed
"But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower."

The men's room at Grand Central works for me.

48 posted on 02/29/2016 10:52:35 AM PST by Rummyfan (Let us now try liberty.)
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To: jospehm20

I would say the Republicans have not been a Conservative party since 1989 with the exception of the rally in 1994. That rally was quickly throttled by Bob Dole and his RINO cohorts in the Senate who undermined Gingrich and the conservative insurgency. They blocked the marriage amendment and undermined the government shutdown.


49 posted on 02/29/2016 10:54:03 AM PST by georgiarat (Obama, providing incompetence since Day One!)
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To: Citizen Zed

Huge undiscussed variable. Hillary’s indicted, Crazy Joey steps in and draws away male blue collar voters.


50 posted on 02/29/2016 10:54:36 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: georgiarat

I was thinking the same but it seems to me they went even more full lib after the impeachment of BJ Clinton failed.


51 posted on 02/29/2016 10:55:22 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Jay Thomas; heights

Not heights, he has flat out said he doesn’t want Cruz supporters to support Trump.


52 posted on 02/29/2016 10:55:58 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: Jewbacca

Trump just makes shit up as he goes.


53 posted on 02/29/2016 10:56:29 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Jewbacca
Only the fact that Hillary is so bad could drag me.

Yes that is a really big factor. I'm thinking "End Times" therefore politics is dead and I need to focus on higher things.

54 posted on 02/29/2016 10:57:52 AM PST by DungeonMaster (the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Works for me!

The “conservative” DNA has long since been purged from the Republican Party and the party Liberal’s are committing FRAUD each time they make such a claim. It is nothing more or less than a criminal organization that should be prosecuted as such under RICO laws!

Good riddance!


55 posted on 02/29/2016 10:58:17 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: georgiarat

Silver is almost 100% data based. Not a whole lot of opinion is his various analyses. He’s also very accurate with his predictions. That being said he’s been on his Twitter feed the last few weeks talking about how a number of statistical precedents have been broken so it’s possible that this election and Trump are a black swan event.


56 posted on 02/29/2016 10:58:57 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Jay Thomas

I was a Cruz first, Trump second initially but he will never get my vote, I will vote for the most conservative candidate. Trump isn’t a conservative at all.

I will vote for Gary Johnson or the Constitutional party candidate.


57 posted on 02/29/2016 10:59:05 AM PST by Leto
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To: Jewbacca

One or two more elections, and they would wrest control from the Mitch McConnels and John McCains of the world.

And now it will probably all get pissed away.


Just who would wrest that control away? Cornyn? Alexander? Corker? Graham? Ayotte? Collins?

Cruz has zero influence, Lee is controlled by Hatch and Romney. Nothing will change from within. Only major external influence can change direction. That has to be Trump.


58 posted on 02/29/2016 10:59:24 AM PST by georgiarat (Obama, providing incompetence since Day One!)
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To: Jewbacca

That’s unfortunate. Stuff like that is completely uncalled for.


59 posted on 02/29/2016 11:00:38 AM PST by Jay Thomas (If not for my faith in Christ, I would despair.)
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To: j.argese

“Then there is that nasty little piece of tissue that has the nasty habit of following the unaware out on their shoe.”

And that kind of crap is exactly why Donald Trump’s Orc army of mindless hatchet men deserve zero support, other than a perfunctory flip of the voter switch to prevent Hillary from being coronated. After that, we owe you zilch, zippo, nada. I will fight every autocratic non-conservative blunder Trump tries to bully through congress. You guys are the true nasty little pieces of tissue.


60 posted on 02/29/2016 11:01:32 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (wrote Harry Reid.s only biography www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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