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Don’t Assume Conservatives Will Rally Behind Trump
FiveThirtyEight ^ | 2-29-2016 | NATE SILVER

Posted on 02/29/2016 10:27:27 AM PST by Citizen Zed

If Donald Trump wins the Republican presidential nomination, he’ll have undermined a lot of assumptions we once held about the GOP. He’ll have become the nominee despite neither being reliably conservative nor being very electable, supposedly the two things Republicans care most about. He’ll have done it with very little support from “party elites” (although with some recent exceptions like Chris Christie). He’ll have attacked the Republican Party’s three previous candidates — Mitt Romney, John McCain and George W. Bush — without many consequences. If a Trump nomination happens, it will imply that the Republican Party has been weakened and is perhaps even on the brink of failure, unable to coordinate on a plan to stop Trump despite the existential threat he poses to it.

Major partisan realignments do happen in America — on average about once every 40 years. The last one, which involved the unwinding of the New Deal coalition between Northern and Southern Democrats, is variously dated as having occurred in 1968, 1972 and 1980. There are also a lot of false alarms, elections described as realignments that turn out not to be. This time, we really might be in the midst of one. It’s almost impossible to reconcile this year’s Republican nomination contest with anyone’s notion of “politics as usual.”

If a realignment is underway, then it poses a big empirical challenge. Presidential elections already suffer from the problem of small sample sizes — one reason a lot of people, certainly including us, shouldn’t have been so dismissive of Trump’s chances early on. Elections held in the midst of political realignments are even rarer, however. The rules of the old regime — the American political party system circa 1980 through 2012 — might not apply in the new one. And yet, it’s those elections that inform both the conventional wisdom and statistical models of American political behavior.

This doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll be completely in the dark. For one thing, the polls — although there’s reason to be concerned about their condition in the long-term — have been reasonably accurate so far in the primaries. And some of the old rules will still apply. It’s probably fair to guess that Pennsylvania and Ohio will vote similarly, for example.

Still, one should be careful about one’s assumptions. For instance, the assumption that the parties will rally behind their respective nominees may or may not be reliable. True, recent elections have had very little voting across party lines: 93 percent of Republicans who voted in 2012 supported Romney, for example, despite complaints from the base that he was insufficiently conservative. And in November 2008, some 89 percent of Democrats who voted supported Barack Obama after his long battle with Hillary Clinton.

But we may be entering a new era, and through the broader sweep of American history, there’s sometimes been quite a bit of voting across party lines. The table below reflects, in each election since 1952, what share of a party’s voters voted against their party’s presidential candidate (e.g., a Democrat voting Republican or for a third-party ticket). There’s a lot of fascinating political history embedded in the table, but one theme is that divisive nominations have consequences.

In 1972, for instance, about a third of Democrats voted for Richard Nixon rather than George McGovern, who won the Democratic nomination despite getting only about a quarter of the popular vote during the primaries. The Democrats’ tumultuous nomination process in 1968 was nearly as bad, with many defections to both Nixon and George Wallace. The 1964 Republican nomination of Barry Goldwater produced quite a few defections. Primary challenges to Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992 presaged high levels of inter-party voting in November.

There are also some exceptions; Republicans remained relatively united behind Gerald Ford in 1976 despite a primary challenge from Ronald Reagan. And there were high levels of Democratic unity behind Obama in 2008, although one can argue that a party having two good choices is a much lesser problem than it having none it can agree upon.

Overall, however, the degree of party unity during the primaries is one of the better historical predictors of the November outcome. That could be a problem for Republicans whether they nominate Trump or turn around and nominate Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or John Kasich; significant numbers of GOP voters are likely to be angry either way.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that Republicans are bound to lose; I’d agree with David Plouffe’s assessment that a general election with Trump on the ballot is hard to predict and that Trump “could lose in a landslide or win narrowly.” But if I wouldn’t bet on an anti-Trump landslide, I’m also not sure I’d bet against one. The presumption that presidential elections are bound to be close is itself based on an uncomfortably small sample size: While three of the four elections since 2000 have been fairly close, most of them between 1952 and 1996 were not. Furthermore, the closeness of recent elections is partly a consequence of intense partisanship, which Trump’s nomination suggests may be fraying. The last partisan realignment, between about 1968 and 1980, produced both some highly competitive elections (1968, 1976) and some blowouts (1972, 1980).

Although what voters do will ultimately be more important, it will also be worth watching how Republican Party elites behave and how much they unite behind Trump. On Twitter this weekend, there was a lot of activity behind the hashtag #NeverTrump, with various conservative intellectuals and operatives pledging that they’d refuse to support Trump in November. Rubio’s Twitter account employed the hashtag also, although Rubio himself has been ambiguous about whether he’d back Trump.

It’s reasonably safe to say that some of the people in the #NeverTrump movement will, in fact, wind up supporting Trump. Clinton, very likely the Democratic nominee, is a divisive figure, and some anti-Trump conservatives will conclude that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Others will get caught up in the esprit de corps of the election. Some of them might be reassured by how Trump conducts himself during the general election campaign or whom he picks as his running mate.

But I’d be equally surprised if there were total capitulation to Trump. Instead, I’d expect quite a bit of resistance from Republican elites. One thing this election has probably taught us is that there are fewer movement conservatives than those within the conservative movement might want to admit. Rank-and-file Republican voters aren’t necessarily all that ideological, and they might buy into some of the Republican platform while rejecting other parts of it. They might care more about Trump’s personality than his policy views.

But there are certainly some movement conservatives, and they have outsized influence on social media, talk radio, television and in other arenas of political discourse. And if you are a movement conservative, Trump is arguably a pretty terrible choice, taking your conservative party and remaking it in his unpredictable medley of nationalism, populism and big-government Trumpism.

If you’re one of these ideological conservatives, it may even be in your best interest for Trump to lose in November. If Trump loses, especially by a wide margin, his brand of politics will probably be discredited, or his nomination might look like a strange, one-off “black swan” that you’ll be better equipped to prevent the next time around. You’ll have an opportunity to get your party back in 2020, and your nominee might stand a pretty decent chance against Clinton, who could be elected despite being quite unpopular because Trump is even less popular and who would be aiming for the Democratic Party’s fourth straight term in office.

But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower. The realignment of the Republican Party will be underway, and you’ll have been left out of it.


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"But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower."
1 posted on 02/29/2016 10:27:27 AM PST by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

And don’t assume they won’t.


2 posted on 02/29/2016 10:28:49 AM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. - Ike)
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To: Citizen Zed

Don’t assume Consevatives won’t.


3 posted on 02/29/2016 10:28:50 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (My first choice is Trump 4 economics and Not a Politician . Cruz to endorse Rubio Stay Home)
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"But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower."

Janitor closet or restroom?

4 posted on 02/29/2016 10:29:03 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Citizen Zed

And they can have it.


5 posted on 02/29/2016 10:29:50 AM PST by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Trump is winning even a very significant number of “Very Conservative” voters

Bitter Ender “Movement Conservatives” can try this tactics at their own peril. When significant portions of your own audience are behind a candidate, it is a high risk, low reward strategy to try and sabotage that candidate.


6 posted on 02/29/2016 10:30:38 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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Don’t Assume Conservatives Will Rally Behind Trump

A lot of conservatives will do the obviously expedient thing and support Trump.

7 posted on 02/29/2016 10:30:39 AM PST by DungeonMaster (the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Republican National Committee’s headquarters. There maybe an eminent domain case coming up for that location.


8 posted on 02/29/2016 10:31:20 AM PST by McGruff (It's clear Trump Derangement Syndrome has no limits.)
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To: Citizen Zed

” And if you are a movement conservative, Trump is arguably a pretty terrible choice, taking your conservative party and remaking it in his unpredictable medley of nationalism, populism and big-government Trumpism.”

This is where I am.


9 posted on 02/29/2016 10:31:44 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Citizen Zed
If a Trump nomination happens, it will imply that the Republican Party has been weakened and is perhaps even on the brink of failure, unable to coordinate on a plan to stop Trump despite the existential threat he poses to it.

This could be worded better:

If a Trump or Cruz nomination happens, it will imply that the Republican leadership has been weakened and is perhaps even on the brink of failure, unable to coordinate on a plan to stop Trump or Cruz despite the existential threat they pose to the leadership's personal power.

10 posted on 02/29/2016 10:34:03 AM PST by Pollster1 ("A Bill of Rights that means what the majority wants it to mean is worthless." - Scalia)
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To: DungeonMaster

“A lot of conservatives will do the obviously expedient thing and support Trump.”

Most will, I agree.

But there will be a huge bleed, akin to how they stayed home when it was Romney. I would have a hard time voting for Trump, even in the general. Only the fact that Hillary is so bad could drag me.


11 posted on 02/29/2016 10:34:12 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Jewbacca

In case you hadn’t notice, the GOP hasn’t been anything remotely resembling a conservative party since 1999. I really do not see how Trump could make it worse.


12 posted on 02/29/2016 10:34:56 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Citizen Zed
I understand not voting for Trump.

But what about the Republican candidates lower down the ticket?

13 posted on 02/29/2016 10:34:59 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: Citizen Zed

It’s a matter of “define conservative”. Globalists who are only conservative about keeping cheap sources for goods and labor and for low taxes for themselves consider themselves to be conservatives. They have ZERO interest in our Constitutional Conservative priorities.


14 posted on 02/29/2016 10:35:44 AM PST by grania
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To: Citizen Zed

Not to worry, I’ve been informed that Trump does not need or want Cruz supporters by people right here on this forum. So no big deal, right?


15 posted on 02/29/2016 10:35:58 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: Jewbacca

Concervatism may not die with Donnie as the nominee but the wounds will be extremely deep.


16 posted on 02/29/2016 10:36:44 AM PST by Outlaw76 (Conservative, Showman, Rino. Make your choice wisely.)
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To: Citizen Zed
Nobody in their right mind would assume that conservatives will get behind Trump.

In the end, the number of people who will vote for him vs. Clinton is all that matters.

As badly as conservatives want Rubio or Cruz to be the nominee, neither will be able to capture enough votes to beat Clinton. Their is little enthusiasm from the electorate, outside of “hard line” conservatives, for Cruz. There is little enthusiasm at all for Rubio no matter what segment of the electorate you choose.

17 posted on 02/29/2016 10:36:48 AM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower. The realignment of the Republican Party will be underway, and you’ll have been left out of it.

Which is why you'll see more and more of the #NeverTrump crowd suddenly reverse direction; specially after Super Tuesday. Most being pragmatists, don't want to be left out.

18 posted on 02/29/2016 10:36:48 AM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: Citizen Zed

I actually think article is pretty good. I am one of the movement conservatives that is tired of holding my nose and voting for someone year after year. If Trump is the nominee I will have to hold my nose with both hands.

Trump is not a conservative, I am. I am also one of those people that make calls and walk precincts. I will not be walking or calling for Trump.


19 posted on 02/29/2016 10:37:37 AM PST by Iowa David
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To: Citizen Zed

Of course definitions matter - who does he consider to be a “movement conservative”? We can all answer correctly I suspect, but here is the top of the Wikipedia list:

Activist Phyllis Schlafly
Commentator Pat Buchanan
Jerry Falwell
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas
Paul Weyrich, founder of the Free Congress Foundation and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)
Columnist and economist Thomas Sowell
Congressman and Vice President nominee Jack Kemp

Kemp is dead, and it’s pretty safe to say Sowell won’t come out of the NR corner for a while at least. But Trump has already got the support of Schafly, Buchannan, and Falwell (Jr). If you go to the “Honorable Metions” you find Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Sarah Palin. Probably 2 out of those 3 will support Trump.


20 posted on 02/29/2016 10:37:42 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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