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A Mysterious Mammoth Carcass Could Change Human History
Gizmodo ^ | 01/14/2016 | Maddie Stone

Posted on 01/14/2016 8:42:33 PM PST by BenLurkin

The carcass was remarkably well preserved, but something was clearly wrong. A rounded hole through the interior jugal. Deep incisions along the ribs. Dents in the left scapula. A broken mandible.

This 45,000 year-old mammoth's life ended violently at the hands of hunters. That wouldn't be surprising-it's well known that Pleistocene humans were expert mammoth killers=but for the location. It was excavated from a permafrost embankment at Yenisei bay, a remote spot in central Siberia where a massive river empties into the Arctic Ocean.

That makes this brutalized mammoth the oldest evidence for human expansion into the high Arctic by a wide margin. Its discovery, published today in Science, might push back the timeline for when humans entered the northernmost reaches of the world-including the first entries into North America.

"We [now] know that the eastern Siberia up to its Arctic limits was populated starting at roughly 50,000 years ago," said Vladimir Pitulko, an archaeologist at the Russian Academy of Sciences and lead author on the study. "This makes our window into the remote part [of the planet] open wider."

(Excerpt) Read more at gizmodo.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; arctic; catastrophism; dietandcuisine; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers; mammoth; mammoths; mammothtoldme; paleontology; siberia; theredbedayslike; these; vladimirpitulko
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Uh-oh! Circle the Clovis-First-and-Only Wagons!!!

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/science/2016/02/07/01-mammoth-find-in-siberia-could-change-understanding-of-americas-discovery.html

[snip] In order for humans to get to America, they first had to be able to make a living on the Arctic doorstep to Alaska. If people were on that doorstep 45,000 years ago, there isn’t anything that would have kept them from stepping over the threshold into a New World... A possible solution to these perplexing problems is that the bones of this mammoth were not cut and broken by ancient humans... The data presented so far, however, simply aren’t convincing enough to overturn what we already know about the discovery of America. [/snip]


101 posted on 02/11/2016 1:58:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: kiryandil
I read most of Velikovsky's stuff in my misspent youth... :)

Me too. And very few of his theories have been solidly disproven while several have been confirmed.

102 posted on 04/03/2016 8:39:55 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: gleeaikin

Source: cryptozoonews.com

“And there is where we get back to quick-freezing mammoths, for the frozen-food experts have pointed out that to do this, starting with a healthy live specimen, you would have to drop the temperature of the air surrounding it down to a point of well below minus-150 degrees Fahrenheit (-101.1°C). There are two ways of freezing rapidly – one is by the blast method, the other by the mist process; these terms explain themselves. Moreover, the colder air or any gases become, the heavier it gets. If the volcanic gases went up far enough they would be violently chilled by the ‘cold of space,’ as it is called, and then as they spiraled toward the poles, as all the atmosphere in time does, they would begin to descend.

“When they came upon a warm layer of air, they would weigh heavily upon it and pull all the heat out of it and then would eventually fall through it, probably with increasing momentum and perhaps in great blobs, pouring down through the weakest spots. And if they did this, the blob would displace the air already there, outward in all directions and with the utmost violence. Such descending gases might well be cold enough to kill and then instantly freeze a mammoth.


103 posted on 04/03/2016 8:48:36 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: JimRed; SunkenCiv; Perchant; Red Badger; Fred Nerks; All

We are not necessarily talking about “volcanic gases”. If the flash freezing were caused by a large bolide strike, you also are having a huge disruption of the frigid upper atmosphere both by the incoming missile(s) and the subsequent super explosion(s) when it or they hit. The freezing would not have to be “instant”. If the body temperature were pushed near freezing in a few hours, digestion would stop and a few more hours would then actually accomplish the freezing of all body parts and food in stomach, or milk in stomach as with the baby animals recently found.


104 posted on 04/03/2016 12:29:43 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: JimRed; Perchant; SunkenCiv; Red Badger; All

I don’t know if you read any of the 700+ comments at this article, but here are 3 that are particularly relevant:

“At normal body temperatures, stomach acids and enzymes break down vegetable material within an hour. The only plausible explanation is for the stomach to cool to about 40°F in ten hours or less. But because the stomach is protected inside a warm body (96.6°F for elephants), how cold must the outside air become to drop the stomach’s temperature to 40°F? Experiments have shown that the outer layers of skin would have had to drop suddenly to at least -175°F.
The flesh of many of the animals found in the muck must have been very rapidly and deeply frozen, for its cells had not burst. ... Frozen-food experts have pointed out that to do this, starting with a healthy, live specimen, you would have to suddenly drop the temperature of the surrounding air to well below minus 150 degrees Fahrenheit. So, in metric: less then -115 Celsius, and it started around 30-35 C.”

“If mammoths digested food similar to modern day elephants then undigested plant matter in the stomach is not surprising. Elephants use their stomachs largely for food storage. Much of the digestion occurs in the intestines.”

“From what I’ve seen of their, um, droppings, much of what they eat is never digested at all. It’s like they aren’t animals so much as massive, self-propelled biomass redistribution systems.”


105 posted on 04/03/2016 12:42:03 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; BenLurkin; All

“outwash...of a large tsunami wave roaring up the river valleys of Alaska...”

Or an outwash of melted glacier pouring out from mid continent as a huge bolide(s) strike in the Great Lakes area. I also hypothesize that great chunks of ice were thrown into the area of the Carolina Bays and similar structures where they skidded slightly giving the eliptical shape trending toward the Great Lakes and then melted leaving lakes of various sizes. All described in Firestone’s book.


106 posted on 04/03/2016 1:04:46 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: JimRed; gleeaikin
The quick-frozen mammoths are difficult at best to explain using any gradualist scenario, not least because any landscape that cold wouldn't produce sufficient food for most of the year to support the caloric and nutritional needs of a mammoth, or a mating pair, or the population represented by the pile of bones of mammoths and other extinct forms and comprising the framework of a couple of Arctic coastal islands off Siberia. It isn't about some avalanche, or some mammoth having a slip and fall accident in a near-freezing water-filled sinkhole, something big happened suddenly.

107 posted on 04/03/2016 1:54:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; SunkenCiv; BenLurkin; Fred Nerks; central_va; All

It would make sense for a nomadic tribal group to have all the females with synchronized lunar cycles. The wandering tribe could camp for a few days while the females did their thing, and the younger men could go off hunting unencumbered by slow moving women, kids and old folks. Also not staying in camp with no female “entertainment” available. It sounds like an evolutionary win-win solution.


108 posted on 04/03/2016 2:58:19 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Funny part is that it still goes on. In groups of women in close quarters, their lunar cycles synchronize around a (biologically) dominant female. The studies were done in college dorms in the ‘70s. It could have definite advantages until ‘baby season’ came around.


109 posted on 04/03/2016 6:05:39 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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