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A Mysterious Mammoth Carcass Could Change Human History
Gizmodo ^ | 01/14/2016 | Maddie Stone

Posted on 01/14/2016 8:42:33 PM PST by BenLurkin

The carcass was remarkably well preserved, but something was clearly wrong. A rounded hole through the interior jugal. Deep incisions along the ribs. Dents in the left scapula. A broken mandible.

This 45,000 year-old mammoth's life ended violently at the hands of hunters. That wouldn't be surprising-it's well known that Pleistocene humans were expert mammoth killers=but for the location. It was excavated from a permafrost embankment at Yenisei bay, a remote spot in central Siberia where a massive river empties into the Arctic Ocean.

That makes this brutalized mammoth the oldest evidence for human expansion into the high Arctic by a wide margin. Its discovery, published today in Science, might push back the timeline for when humans entered the northernmost reaches of the world-including the first entries into North America.

"We [now] know that the eastern Siberia up to its Arctic limits was populated starting at roughly 50,000 years ago," said Vladimir Pitulko, an archaeologist at the Russian Academy of Sciences and lead author on the study. "This makes our window into the remote part [of the planet] open wider."

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; arctic; catastrophism; dietandcuisine; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers; mammoth; mammoths; mammothtoldme; paleontology; siberia; theredbedayslike; these; vladimirpitulko
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To: umgud

http://www.varchive.org/ce/index.htm

for your interest


21 posted on 01/14/2016 10:18:11 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: gleeaikin
Usually you have to remind me, I just wanted you to see it when I remember on my own. ;')
The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization
The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


22 posted on 01/14/2016 10:21:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: TigersEye

23 posted on 01/14/2016 10:22:28 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks


24 posted on 01/14/2016 10:27:16 PM PST by umgud
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21746106/Velikovsky-Earth-in-Upheaval#scribd

326 pages


25 posted on 01/14/2016 10:29:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks! The Yenisey River does go about 400+ miles south. My floating mammoth theory can’t be dismissed. Yet. lol


26 posted on 01/14/2016 10:30:56 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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Humans Were in the Arctic 10,000 Years Earlier Than Thought
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/science-nature/humans-were-arctic-10000-years-earlier-thought-180957819/


27 posted on 01/14/2016 10:31:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks!


28 posted on 01/14/2016 10:39:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: TigersEye

Just a couple of minor problems. Their stomach contents were still undigested and their flesh was flash-frozen, some of the meat was fed to the dogs of the explorers.


29 posted on 01/14/2016 10:46:48 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks; BenLurkin; kiryandil; TigersEye; All

Just because we are getting older it doesn’t mean we are brain dead. ;-) I think, however, that this mammoth was long before the Catastrophy described by Firestone. A lot them from that time period were flash frozen and even with undigested buttercups in the stomach. It may have ended up in the river, been buried in sediment and become part of the permafrost for the next 40,000 years.

I too became very interested in Velikovsky about 45 years ago, read most of his books. I don’t agree with all his guesses, but it made me try to find other answers to conventional “truths”. I have a book somewhere in the house about Alaska which talks about great masses of animal bones slowly washing out of a cliff. Will try to find it and add here.


30 posted on 01/14/2016 10:52:13 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Fred Nerks

I don’t think that precludes it from having died in a river and shortly thereafter frozen and covered with silt. Floating 400 miles north could have taken the carcass from a cold place to a super cold place.


31 posted on 01/14/2016 10:58:20 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: central_va
Mammoths must have tasted real good because you got a lot of convincing to do to get me to jab it with a sharpened stick.

LOLOL!!!!!!!

I was going to say *Good point* but I'll say *excellent observation* instead.

32 posted on 01/14/2016 11:40:05 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: gleeaikin

Yup, much earlier — but thought I’d plug the book anyway. ;’)


33 posted on 01/15/2016 12:25:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: TigersEye

Thats possible. I was thinking theymay have tracked it for awhile after seperating it from the herd but you run into the issue of getting all that meat back so the kill spot was likely no more than a few hours from their settlement or camp.


34 posted on 01/15/2016 12:36:42 AM PST by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: MSF BU
... discoveries are made that don’t fit the contemporary narrative they are either ignored, sh*tcanned or ridiculed.

or stored forever in some museum basement ...

35 posted on 01/15/2016 4:12:12 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: MSF BU

I might add that an excellent example of hiding something which does not fit the meme are optical lenses. These are usually displayed (if displayed at all) in some obscure museum corner as ‘jewelry’.

In point of fact lenses were in common use prior to the Old Kingdom Egypt (at whatever date that really was). They were used as a reading aid (a sort of pince-nez arrangement or in a hand held arrangement as a magnifying glass. Still others were apparently used as telescopes for battlefield intel and for astronomy.

There was also a separate class of colored hollow glass balls used as mood alterers. Sometimes these glass balls were used to focus sun light and burn something combustible like incense.

Then there is Gobeki-Tepi which does not fit, but is too big to hide - as well as the wealth of large pyramid structures predating the ones at Giza, one by as much as 20,000 years (really whacking the meme upside the head).


36 posted on 01/15/2016 4:28:27 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: BenLurkin

One has to pay for a subscription to read the original article in Science. I wonder if it shows humans killed the animal or if maybe they stumbled upon it partially thawed a few thousand years later and ate some of it.

It is fascinating how many of these huge creatures seem to have been nearly flash frozen - - as some have said with their stomach contents intact. Strongly suggests a very dramatic incident.


37 posted on 01/15/2016 4:41:40 AM PST by finnsheep
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To: gleeaikin
For others: Yes many of IV's theories are controversial, but in context of the time in was right about one thing were everyone else was wrong. He was so hated for this that his books were banned for years, like Wilhelm Reich before him.

What was that you ask? At the time everyone thought that the cloud shrouded planet was Earth's twin and there could be people just like us there or at least some sort of tropical jungle life.

Venus: he wrote that it would have a hydrocarbon atmosphere and surface temperatures around 800 degrees. He was right. He based this on the Aphrodite legend of springing from her fathers head (Jove). And sure enough there is a mark which could have been left by Jupiter expelling a mass: the Great Red Spot.

The only thing he did not explain is the 3-body problem of Earth, Venus, and the moon in Worlds in Collision. However, others have stepped in to say that all this happened while Earth and Mars were moons of Saturn and the solar system was a very very different place.

See here
The Saturn Myth

The Saturn Myth: A Reinterpretation of Rites and Symbols Illuminating Some of the Dark Corners of Primordial Society

Velikovsky reconsidered Hardcover - 1976

38 posted on 01/15/2016 4:53:31 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: MSF BU

I heard about a book about that. I think it is called “Forbidden Archaeology”.


39 posted on 01/15/2016 4:59:25 AM PST by Duckdog (If your not on a government list, Whats wrong with you!)
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To: going hot

Yer gonna get yourself some mammoth ribs, that’s what yer gonna do!


40 posted on 01/15/2016 5:26:02 AM PST by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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