Posted on 08/22/2015 12:24:48 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
I was wondering why a polling outfit (CNN/ORC) is now all of a sudden trusted by conservatives? If not, then say so. If it is all of a sudden now trusted by conservatives...I thought that CNN is a liberal outfit and not to be trusted?
Limbaugh seems to be going after CNN for their Morten Downey Jr. documentary on TV as somehow being used to juxtapose against Trump, and for their interviews of Trump supporters, and wondering if they are going to hand-pick the worst of the worst in those interviews to somehow paint all Trump supporters in a negative light. But are CNN polls now simultaneously trustworthy simultaneously alongside the aforementioned?
If we stick to an unmoving set of principles, based upon conservative belief that liberals are not to be trusted, why then should we trust CNN? Were they liberal back in 2007/2008 and 2011/2012 in those presidential election cycles, but are now conservative polling outfits all of a sudden? Did they try to pick the GOP nominee back then in each of those presidential election cycles? If so, has CNN then changed its spots for 2015/2016?
How about Rasmussen? Just because Scott Rasmussen is (as has been said here at FR) no longer running the show there, is Rasmussen no longer to be trusted?
In a recent thread here, Rasmussen was panned by more than one person as being no longer trustworthy in their eyes when Donald Trump didn't do so well in the second-to-last poll from them, but in Rasmussen's most recent poll, Trump seemed to do a little better - and so Rasmussen was praised. How did that come about?
Let me see if I get this straight: those polling outfits (CNN/ORC, ABC News/WaPo and NBC News/WSJ) - that conservatives once did not trust - are now trustworthy. But Rasmussen is trustworthy if it procures the desired result for Trump?
And I thought that WSJ is now considered to be an establishment outfit. Why then trust any NBC News/WSJ poll? Just wondering...
What a great table! I love seeing it laid out like that.
It’s a widespread idea that you get a truer result by averaging the different polls.
But of course that’s not valid if all the pollsters are using basically the same flawed methodology.
uh south?
Nice to see Christi moving to the second tier. I like Jindal but everyone down there is out of the running. Trump is like an Indy 500 pace car. When he speeds up or gets out of the way. Others will get to sprint to the front of the pack. This works out well for Cruz and Carson with smaller reserves. And its horrible for the big money grabbers like Bush.
There is only one poll that counts.
And that depends on who is doing the counting
Several are 'anti-Trump shills' but not all.
Would you be having this vanity post of yours if Trump was on the bottom of the polls? Nah you would not.
BTW, it was the recent PPP poll for North Carolina that Trump seemed to act as if was the bees knees.
But I don’t remember him saying anything about PPP when CNN had him at a decent % a little while back, but near the same time PPP had him at 17=18%. Maybe I missed him saying something about PPP then...
Sure. But if you want to believe there is a secret society of pollsters that bias the results of hundreds of national samplings, that’s your right.
Polls are useless. One week Hillary has the Presidency locked up the next week she is on her way to jail..
Polls change quicker then the weather..
WRONG. I have never had much faith in any of the polling outfits, except for 538, which uses a totally different methodology and really focus on a politician’s negatives (%’s) to give their opinion on whether they are electable.
And why do so-called conservatives act for years as if CNN cannot be trusted and yet now act as if they said none of that in the past?
Get with the program. is CNN a liberal polling outfit or not? Is the WSJ a supposed arm of the RNC/GOP-e or not? Is WaPo the Washington Compost or not?
Not with my vote.
The internals are the key. Polling organizationstry to muddy the scene whether they combine leaners with a party or as Ind. Gallup surveys R D I every year as well asCon Mod Lib. Compare the polls internals with the Gallup. Gallup. Isn’t perfect, but can help the polls be compared to one another. The thing I see on the Orc polls is the excessive ( double digit) R crossover to vote for Hillary even though the gender gap is consistent. So it isn’t a matter of R womaN voting Hillary. Why the higher crossovers?
Have you ever been called for a pole??? Who gets called??
The issue that I am looking at is this:
What happened to talk radio hosts and conservatives pounding CNN, ABC News, WaPo, and NBC News as being liberrral?
Are these talk radio hosts now unreliable?
So the internals of CNN (and others) were at one time not to be trusted because CNN was libbberal but the internals with CNN polls 9and others) can now be trusted?
Has this leopard (CNN) changed its spots?
I was called in Ca for Brown/Kashkari in 2014 (Sept). There is a first time for everything.
On the other hand, off-year elections and foreign polling seems terrible. They've underestimated the GOP turnout twice in off-year elections and missed the Israeli and English election (didn't they also miss the Scottish independence vote?)
I don't know anyone "rolling" with just one poll. I do know a lot of GOPe types spinning like crazy with every new poll coming out showing Trump kicking butt. I think overall you can conclude that nationally Trump is between 24 and 30% of GOP, and statewide he leads in almost every state (that I'm aware of): IA, NH, FL, NC, GA, AL, AZ, TX, SC---there was a new three-state poll that came out of PA, FL, and OH and I think Kasich was up on him in OH, but Trump was ahead in every other state.
The RCP average is usually correct.
I get called for a poll maybe twice a year. I suspect it has to do with being registered to vote. Are you registered?
However even with the possibly of flawed methodology, the oldest or first poll results are benchmarks for their respective polls to see if the candidates have moved up or down, which gives us some idea how the candidates are doing.
Like this one here where Trump increased his poll number by + 8%.
"Reuters: Trump Widens Lead in Poll to 32% After ‘Hard Line Immigration Stance’ "
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/22/reuters-trump-widens-lead-in-poll-to-32-after-hard-line-immigration-stance/
Odd. Last week you were citing CNN when you (wrongly) claimed Trump had peaked and was on his way down. Except you had confused a national poll with an Iowa poll. Oops.
Now you don’t like CNN because you think the lefty journalists are somehow playing with the spreadsheets. When in fact CNN plays no part in the polling. ORC does all the number crunching. CNN simply pays for the poll.
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