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Presidential eligibility of Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal challenged at Supreme Court
MMDNewswire ^ | February 4, 2015

Posted on 02/05/2015 6:37:16 AM PST by wtd



TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anchorbaby; bobbyjindal; eligibility; marcorubio; natural; naturalborncitizen; obama; presidential; tedcruz
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To: WayneS
Did you read the article?

Don't be silly. This is FR. Most of us don't read most articles most of the time. Maybe we read most of most articles most of the time, but not always.

21 posted on 02/05/2015 7:28:10 AM PST by Maceman
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To: Red Badger

It is pretty clear that only the vaginal birth, which is done in an open savanna and without epidural, is to be considered natural.


22 posted on 02/05/2015 7:40:21 AM PST by sagar
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To: Maceman
I understand that. In fact, I am quite often guilty of commenting without reading the article.

But in this case, the person in question is the one who POSTED the article.

That was a new one on me.

;-)

23 posted on 02/05/2015 7:43:44 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

https://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/minor-v-happersett-revisited-2/


24 posted on 02/05/2015 7:46:44 AM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: wtd

“Then it’s not moot.”

It’s mute and irrevalunt!

At least that’s how they say it in Cleveland!


25 posted on 02/05/2015 7:55:05 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: wtd
Fair argued in her Petition not that Obama was ineligible conceding that point was now moot. Instead, Mrs. Fair raised the question of the eligibility of declared Presidential candidates Senators Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, and Governor Bobby Jindal. In particular, Mrs. Fair argued that unresolved is whether or not these three are in fact "natural born Citizens".

It's a fair question but the fact that Obama's eligibility is now "moot" but Cruz', Jindal's, and Rubio's aren't is a sad commentary.

26 posted on 02/05/2015 8:01:44 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: WayneS
It does not appear to me that the complainant is specifically challenging anyone’s eligibility at this juncture. She appears to be asking SCOTUS to define “Natural Born Citizen”, and she used those three men as examples.

According to the brief she filed she's specifically challenging Obama's eligibility for the office, and mentions that three other candidates on the horizon she believed are also ineligible as further need for the court to rule.

27 posted on 02/05/2015 8:09:32 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Responsibility2nd
After all, our president has a question about his citizenship via his phony birth certificate. Do we care about that?
28 posted on 02/05/2015 8:16:56 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
" the unknowable.....what was meant by NBC. "

That part of your statement is proof that reasonable and responsible people can have varying interpretations of NBC, therefore the law as written is too vague to intelligently and consistently enforce, and should by repaired by amendment or supreme court decision, and I prefer legislative remedy over judicial intervention. But the amendment process will not be attempted without a ruling from the SC.

29 posted on 02/05/2015 8:24:50 AM PST by matthew fuller (God bless Jan Morgan- owner / The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range.)
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To: wtd

if being a citizen was enough, as it is for ALL other federal positions, they would never have used the phrase ‘natural born citizen’ for POTUS

obviously, it’s a different level of requirement.

they discussed it in the federalist papers. their intent was to insure the person taking office would not have split allegiances, at least by birth.

hence the term, natural born citzen.

a natural born citizen is a citizen naturally... as there are no alternatives


30 posted on 02/05/2015 8:35:08 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Responsibility2nd

you are wrong.

if being a citizen was enough, as it was for all other Constitutionally defined positions, they wouldn’t have used a different term for POTUS


31 posted on 02/05/2015 8:40:03 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: matthew fuller
That part of your statement is proof that reasonable and responsible people can have varying interpretations of NBC, therefore the law as written is too vague to intelligently and consistently enforce, and should by repaired by amendment or supreme court decision, and I prefer legislative remedy over judicial intervention.

So so so many problems in such a short response: but mainly the idea that a law too vague to intelligently enforce should probably be ignored. Complication is the bureaucratic devil's playground. The intent of the law CLEARLY does not impact Cruz. To a true conservative, the intent of the law is superior to the letter of the law when the letter A: contradicts the intent or B: is a mumble jumble.

Second, there HAVE been some legislative clarifications that tend to ease the burden on this.

Third, there are NO CONSERVATIVE LEGAL SCHOLARS who think this is a problem, including Cruz himself.

32 posted on 02/05/2015 8:46:57 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: sten

Exactly. Under the broad definitions some conservatives are now willing to accept, some of the potential GOP candidates are “natural born citizens” of more than one country. If we rewind the clock, Winston Churchill would have been eligible to serve as President after serving as Britain’s Prime Minister.


33 posted on 02/05/2015 8:47:11 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: DoodleDawg

If her case is valid, where is Mark Levin and Landmark Legal, or Larry Klyman’s group, or the ACLJ joining her??????????


34 posted on 02/05/2015 8:48:12 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: .45 Long Colt
If we rewind the clock, Winston Churchill would have been eligible to serve as President after serving as Britain’s Prime Minister.

....and you think this helps YOUR argument?

35 posted on 02/05/2015 8:48:59 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: wolfman23601

incorrect.

another situation the founders wanted to avoid was a foreign king becoming president. if being a citizen was enough, like BJindahl, MRubio and BH0bama, then william and kate could have a kid in NYC and that kid would be eligible to be king of england as well as POTUS.

this is clearly against the founders intent... and why they used the term, natural born citizen.

BOTH parents AND born on the soil is required... as a child born this way could only be a US citizen.

remember:
a natural born citizen is a citizen naturally... AS THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES


36 posted on 02/05/2015 8:53:11 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: matthew fuller

the ‘interpretation’ only varies when people are trying to slide something by the rest of us.


37 posted on 02/05/2015 8:55:48 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; .45 Long Colt
...and you think this helps YOUR argument?

WChurchill's mother was American. he was born on british soil to a british father and an American mother. at birth, he was a US citizen as well as a british citizen.

BUT... he was not a natural born citizen of either country.

therefore, he could not become POTUS... insuring the founders intent

38 posted on 02/05/2015 9:01:40 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I haven’t made my argument and I’m not going to. I’ve argued over this enough the past several years. But do you actually think a man like Churchill, with obvious divided loyalties, would have been constitutionally eligible?


39 posted on 02/05/2015 9:02:16 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: wolfman23601

So let’s say Mama sneaks across the border and has little Pedro. Pedro is a citizen. Couple of years later she takes him back to Mexico. 30 years later he returns and runs for President.

He’s a natural born citizen?


40 posted on 02/05/2015 9:02:44 AM PST by saleman (?)
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