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Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy
birtherreport ^ | March 31, 2014 | Linda Jordan

Posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by ethical

Seeing With One’s Own Eyes : Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy by Linda Jordan

The principal aim of an autopsy is to determine the cause of death when the cause of death is equivocal or unknown. It is a “strictly the facts ma’am” kind of procedure.

A Medical Examiner or Coroner simply reports what is “seen with their own eyes” concerning the condition of the body and organs after an autopsy. A review of the deceased’s medical history is also included in their assessment. When all is said and done they offer a professional opinion as to the manner of death based on the physical findings and medical history.

If you have ever read a Coroner’s report you know they are very dry. No ad-libbing or wild guessing, no emotion, just straight reporting and fact based conclusions about the state of the body. Lots of words and phrases like, “anterior thorax”, “usual lobular architecture”, “unremarkable”, “perirenal soft tissue”, “sclerae and conjunctivae”, “intact”, “coronary arteries arise normally”, “well-preserved follicular and trabecular markings”.

That’s why I was concerned by newspaper accounts of the Hawaii Medical Examiner’s reported cause of death for Loretta Fuddy, the former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health. What the medical examiner has released so far is heavy on the perceived emotion of Loretta at the time of her death and speculation about the condition of her heart.

Emotion and speculation are not things the medical examiner could have seen with her own eyes.

Some Background.

You will remember that Loretta Fuddy was the person who released photo copies of Barack Obama’s original, long form Certificate of Live Birth. She did this at Obama’s request and said that she hoped it would put an end to the “numerous inquiries” the Hawaii DOH has received to produce the document. Judith Corley, Obama’s lawyer, says she flew to Hawaii to collect this document.

Obama then posted the purported birth certificate to the White House website on April 27, 2011. It has since been proven to be an abject forgery. It was not a scan of a photo copy of an original document. It was a forged PDF file that never existed in paper form until someone pushed print.

Loretta Fuddy died after a plane crash on December 11, 2013. Just a month and a half prior she had been named in two affidavits filed in U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington. The originator of the affidavits had asked that a Grand Jury be convened to investigate Obama’s forged birth certificate and Fuddy’s role, if any, in its production.

Fuddy and her Deputy Director Keith Yamamoto had traveled to the island of Molokai that day on a work related trip. On their return flight the small plane they were riding in was forced to make an emergency ocean landing, fairly close to shore, after suffering a complete engine failure.

It was a very smooth landing according to the video one passenger captured. All nine passengers, including Loretta, secured their life jackets and calmly disembarked from the plane. In fact there was almost no sound as they exited into the approximately 70 degree water.

Within minutes after the forced landing a small plane flew overhead and survivors knew that help was on the way. Then, inexplicably, Loretta Fuddy suffered an equivocal death. A death of unknown origin.

Problems With The Autopsy: The First Cause Of Death Release.

Loretta was the only fatality, and a high profile one. Autopsies are to be performed as soon after death as possible. Preferably within 24 hours. It was reported that Loretta Fuddy’s autopsy took place two days after her death. Why wait two days? And if the autopsy was completed on December 13th, 2013 why were the results kept private for a month? Details from the autopsy report were not revealed until January 13, 2014. And scant details they were. The Maui Police Department, not the Medical Examiner’s Office, reported that Loretta Fuddy, “suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water” and that Fuddy's “irregular heartbeat” was the result of stress brought on by the December 11 crash.

It is not possible to diagnose death by “cardiac arrhythmia”. It is something that can only be measured in a live person and there is no evidence of it after death. If someone had a medical history of cardiac arrhythmia it could be a good guess but a guess none the less.

And therein lies the rub. The Medical Examiners designation of death, cardiac arrhythmia due to stress, is in direct conflict with the known facts.

Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., says that his sister was healthy, that she had no heart problems and that she was not a stressed or fearful person. He said that she was a very calm person and had to be given her job. His personal knowledge of his own sister directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion.

Passenger accounts of what transpired during the crash and after directly controverts the medical examiners conclusion.

“Clyde Kawasaki, the pilot, has said Fuddy seemed to be in fine condition while bobbing in the water after everyone left the airplane and waited for rescue crews to show up at the scene.”

'Everyone was real quiet. We hit (the water) and it was all about getting the belts off,' he said, describing how everyone started putting on life jackets and remained on the plane until it seemed to start sinking.'There wasn't panic or anything. It was very orderly,' he said. Phillip Hollstein

“Bobbing in the water, Hollstein noticed the pilot and seven other passengers seemed fine. 'I didn't want to sit out there bobbing, so I figured I'd take a shot at going to the shoreline.' He guesses the swim to the rugged shoreline took an hour and a half. He was surprised to hear later that one of the passengers, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy, had later died. 'She was doing fine out of the airplane,' Hollstein said”.

The video footage of the actual plane crash directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion. Loretta Fuddy was not screaming or crying. No one was. “The 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan's cabin starts to flood after impact - but everyone remains calm and eerily quiet as they leave the sinking craft.” “In the video, the passengers can be seen making their way out calmly.”

There is only one hearsay account that Fuddy needed to “relax” after the crash. KeithYamamoto purportedly told Rev. Patrick Killilea that he had held Loretta’s hand and tried to help her to “relax” but at some point she let go of his hand and was unresponsive.

The Second Cause Of Death Release.

Two months after the Maui Police Department revealed Fuddy’s cause of death the Associated Press (AP) sent out a short article with details straight from their own copy of the autopsy report which they obtained on March 10, 2014. Now, four months after her death, we learn this from newspaper accounts of the AP story.

*‘Autopsy report says Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” after plane crash’.

*‘Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her.’

*‘The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11.’

*‘The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean.’

*The autopsy said [Fuddy’s] acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation.

*Official autopsy results for late state health director Loretta Fuddy reveal she was a poor swimmer and never swam in ocean waters.

*According to the report, witnesses saw Fuddy exit the aircraft with her flotation device and [she] was “markedly afraid” while waiting for rescue personnel to arrive. She was pronounced dead after being brought to shore. (This is in direct conflict with first hand witness accounts reported at the time. Remember the pilot and passenger Hollstein both said Fuddy was calm and was doing fine and no witness in any newspaper account of the crash ever said Fuddy was “markedly afraid”. So where did this come from?)

*The [autopsy] report says reported ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves that occasionally splashed over the face of the crash victims as they awaited rescue.

Listen to the words coming out of the medical examiner’s report: Loretta Fuddy was markedly afraid, it was a traumatic ordeal, she was a poor swimmer, she never swam in the ocean, water occasionally splashed over her face while awaiting rescue, ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves. This is an autopsy report? Does this sound like a systematic external and internal examination of a dead body to determine if any abnormalities are present and are the cause of death? Where are the words that actually tell us the condition of her body and health? Why are the emotional, speculative words pushed to the forefront but the technical, factual descriptions are kept hidden? And why is this autopsy report filled with emotion and speculation in the first place?

The AP did not share a copy of the report which was said to be heavily redacted. It is important to note that attorney Orly Taitz made a public records request for the autopsy report on December 18, 2013 and has never received a copy.

Why did the AP get a copy but not Taitz? It is a public record subject to Hawaii’s Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. I requested one myself but seriously doubt it will be forthcoming . Is it only released to people who will beat the drum that Loretta’s death was caused by fear & hyperventilation?

A final point. One headline announcing the Maui Police Department’s release of autopsy details (January 13, 2014) said that Loretta’s death had been ruled “accidental”.

As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash so how can the Medical Examiner or the Maui Police Department rule Fuddy’s death “accidental”?

Closing.

The Medical Examiner’s autopsy report guesses at the cause of death for Loretta Fuddy. And sometimes, absent any clues from the body, that’s all you can do. However, I would wager in this case that most Medical Examiners would have gone with, “manner of death undetermined”. But what makes Dr. Harle’s guess most disturbing is the fact that it is in direct conflict with eyewitness accounts of Loretta at the time of the crash and in direct conflict with her own brother’s knowledge of her.

She’s clearly trying to make a square peg fit in to a round hole in spite of the facts.

Review all the documentation I’ve supplied. See it with your own eyes and then ask yourself three questions.

1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?

2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?

3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?

Read it again and let it sink in.

‘The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." ‘ ."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves."

End Notes

1 having two or more possible meanings: not easily understood or explained 2 Unlike Coroners, Medical Examiners are government-appointed physicians who are certified specialists in forensic pathology. They do not need permission from the next of kin to perform an autopsy. 3 Origin of AUTOPSY: Greek autopsia, the act of seeing with one's own eyes, First Known Use: 1678. 4 Dr. Harle, Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 5 There is such a thing as a Psychological Autopsy (PA) particularly in cases of suspected suicide where life insurance policies are involved. They include extensive interviews with family, friends and a review of the deceased personal records. Conclusions based on this kind of autopsy are generally not accepted in legal criminal proceedings but have been used in civil cases. They primarily serve to bring closure to the family. A PA is done in addition to the autopsy performed by the Medical Examiner. There is no suggestion that Loretta Fuddy killed herself and no evidence that a PA was performed on her. 6 http://www.mcso.org/PressRelease/ 2012 March 1,21, July 17 7 Ms. Fuddy was named in two affidavits (one public, one sealed) filed in the U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington on October 18, 2013, by Douglas Vogt, citing twenty points of forgery that comprise misprision of treason and misprision of felony. Vogt, with researcher and document expert Paul Irey, investigated the intricacies of the forgery. Mr. Vogt’s affidavit and Ms. Fuddy’s involvement gained national attention when he was interviewed on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report on December 4, 2013, exactly one week to the day before her tragic death on December 11, 2013. http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2014/01/12/what-are-the-chances-the-mysterious-death-of-loretta-fuddy-by-doug-hagmann/ 8 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/ 9 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 10 http://pathlabs.ufl.edu/services/autopsy/faq-autopsy http://usaforensics.com/faqs/ 11 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html “Fuddy's irregular heartbeat was the result of stress from the Dec. 11 crash… Maui police announced, revealing the findings of an autopsy conducted two days after the crash. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. “All the passengers, including Fuddy, safely evacuated the plane and activated life-vests, but according to a newly released autopsy, Fuddy suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water, waiting for rescuers.” “Fuddy, 65, was healthy and didn't have any known heart problems, her brother, Lewis Fuddy, said Monday."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves." 12 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 13 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 14 Pathologist factors: Some doctors express dissatisfaction with the quality of an autopsy if the pathologist does not provide answers regarding the case. Unfortunately, an autopsy does not guarantee that the cause of death, for example a heart arrhythmia, will be identified. http://www.medicinenet.com/autopsy/page3.htm#what_is_the_autopsy_report 15 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 16 Heart trouble led to Fuddy's death But the state health director did not have cardiac or stress problems, her brother says’ By Timothy Hurley POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jan 14, 2014 The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 17 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/13/22294162-hawaiian-health-director-died-of-irregular-heartbeat-after-plane-crash?lite 18 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536931/New-footage-shows-harrowing-moment-small-plane-crashed-Hawaii-killed-woman-published-President-Obamas-birth-certificate.html#ixzz2xN5RYmJN 19 http://www.chicagonewsday.com/feed/national/11572-new-footage-shows-the-harrowing-moment-a-small-plane-crashed-off-hawaii-and-killed-the-woman-who-published-president-obama-s-birth-certificate.txt 20 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 21 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 22 In the final moments of her life, Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy, Keith Yamamoto, while floating in the water. Fuddy, who became widely known in 2011 for her role in making President Barack Obama’s birth certificate public, held hands with Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal. http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/state-wire/survivor-recounts-plane-crash-killed-fuddy#sthash.KpCCTidu.dpuf 23 Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her. The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11. The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean. Maui police have said her death was the result of an irregular heartbeat triggered by stress. The autopsy said the acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. Maui County cited privacy laws for redacting significant portions of the report. http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140310_Autopsy_report_said_health_director_was_markedly_afraid_after_plane_crash 24 http://khon2.com/2014/03/11/autopsy-reveals-fuddys-final-moments-after-crash/ 25 http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-lawyer-files-request-fuddy-autopsy/ 26 Email On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:40 PM, from Linda Jordan to Orly Taitz. I was just curious if they gave you a copy of the autopsy like they did the AP? And if they did not, why not? You did request one right? LJ they did not provide me with any answer and right now I do not have the money to file yet another law suit in HI to get it (Orly Taitz) 27 March 26, 2014 TO: Public Records Officer Coroner and Medical Examiner’s Office of Maui County RE: Request for Public Record Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy The Associated Press reported on March 12th, 2014 that they had received a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Fuddy conducted by Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner for Maui County. I am requesting a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy aka Loretta Deliana Fuddy under the Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. Fuddy’s date of death was reported as December 11, 2013. Date of autopsy reported as December 12 or 13, 2013. I will pay the cost of copies and mailing. Electronic transfer would be acceptable also. Thank you, Linda Jordan Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 28 Hyperventilation brought on by panic or fear rarely results in death. 29 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 30 http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 31 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html


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Also, stop with the “everyone” crap. You just called Mr. K a nobody. Just because the people at Fogbow want it to APPEAR that everybody thinks like them doesn’t mean it is so.

You’re trying to rewrite the narrative, which is why the self-described fogbow “sock puppets” - including at least one who is an anonymous moderator here - had to gag me for a while, refuse to allow my post to show, then after taking special measures to break FR’s rules and take my post out of “Bloggers” and into a more visible place change the title with mocking commentary so that people would blow it off and those who genuinely wanted to discuss the issue couldn’t keep up or stand the stench. At the same time, at least one who believes this is fishy was gagged. And the “sock puppets” came out of the woodwork to show their true colors. When some of the truth-tellers responded back, the thread was pulled so all that’s left to be seen is the orchestrated Alinsky show.

It’s pretty easy to make it appear as if the whole world agrees with you when you pull those kind of stunts. It’s a pathetic, desperate attempt to rewrite the narrative, and to those who saw it at the time it was blatant.

Desperate people don’t have to do that kind of garbage. You people think you’re so smart but your rear is sticking up ten miles out of the sand for everybody to see.

You’re liars, plain and simple. Trying to claim that nobody sees the extras in the water? Trying to claim that everybody agrees that the photoshopping on Lang’s plane isn’t there? Who the heck are you trying to kid? You think Freepers are such idiots that they would believe that nobody sees this stuff?

Now watch, there will be a whole crew of fogbow “sock puppets” all claiming that you’re right and I’m wrong. And genuine Freepers will be gagged. And you’ll all say “See?”

Predictable. Sick, desperate, and predictable. A person has to go off Free Republic to see what real people think, because FR is staged Alinsky, courtesy of the Fogbow sock puppets. And before you even deny it, explain why you boast about your Freeper “sock pupppet” accounts among your friends? Out one corner of your mouth you brag about infiltrating FR and out the other corner of your mouth you call me crazy for saying you’ve infiltrated FR.

Your ringleader is so pathetic that she told me in a threatening blog message that she was posing as one of my trusted Freepers - and then turned around to say I need psychological help because I think FR is overrun by trolls and moles. If she believed a word she was saying she would know she’s calling herself a liar. But she doesn’t believe a word she is saying. She knows that it is all psy-ops - staged Alinsky, designed to rewrite the narrative by changing the appearances to interested bystanders. She’s repeating the words necessary to do the Alinsky crap. And she knows it is all lies. You all do. You brag about pretending to be somebody you’re not and then you call me a liar for repeating what you just said. You know your protestations are lies. If not, then you are the stupidest people on the globe because it’s right in front of your eyes. You tell yourself you do it for a higher good. The end justifies the means, to some people.

But when death comes - and remember that none of us can stave off death forever, and some are closer than even they know - the lies will be your enemy because you will answer for every one of them.

Repent, and live. It’s not too late. I’m saying this to the people who still have a conscience. Raicha, you may not have heard a lot about it because LCMS doesn’t get into this too deeply, but Jesus said that in the end times there would be people who truly believe they are serving God by killing the followers of Christ. Revelation talks about the apostate church being the “Beast out of the land/sea” (I mix up which one is which) aligned with the other beast and with the dragon who is called Satan- meaning that there would be people who say they are Christians who actually serve Satan, the “Father of Lies” who seeks only to kill, steal, and destroy.

Why are you aligning yourself with liars? Come out from them, I beg you. In your heart of hearts, please listen. Of course this will be mocked among your “friends”. But in your heart of hearts, listen to the still small voice of the Scriptures you’ve heard from childhood. It’s not too late now, but it may soon be.

I’m pinging my entire list - liars and truth-tellers alike, and you know who you are - because this is not piddles and transcends any “politics”. This is spiritual warfare for your souls. You align yourself with the truth, or you align yourself with the lies, and I’m begging you all to choose wisely, as GBA said in an earlier post on this thread. In the blink of an eye your life can be over, and you stand before a Judge who cannot be bribed, sees through the smoke to the very heart of the truth, and demands justice - REAL justice. Your friends will be gone and it will just be you and God, with both of you knowing the truth and eternity at stake.

To those aligned with lies, the prophets of thousands of years say to you what you won’t accept from me: repent, and live. You have no way of knowing when the time for choosing is past. You have right now; beyond that there are no guarantees.

Anyone with a ping list, please ping your lists. This message is not from me; it’s from the prophets all down through time. The people who MOST need to hear it are those aligned with mockers. Those not already sealed for Satan, listen to the mocking of your “friends” and understand who it is that you are aligning yourself with. I’m saying nothing that the prophets haven’t already said; in mocking this message it is the prophecies all through time that are being mocked. And the wisdom of secular sages as well.


81 posted on 04/03/2014 7:36:07 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: GAFreedom

First off, how do you know why Taitz’ request has not been fulfilled? Do you work for the Maui County Police Department? Cite your sources.

I posted here at FR some of the observations indicating that the “video” sequence in the KITV funeral report was photoshopped. Your suggestion that the evidence be a direct confession from the person who did the edit tells me that you’re a troll. You guys really need to be more careful about how you expose yourselves. Sheesh.

The coroner is supposed to have the real skinny from the first-person sources. The report from the people who found Fuddy. Why would he say, the next day, that Fuddy’s body had been retrieved from the wreckage?

Andrew Breitbart died around midnight, and by news time the next morning the coroner reported the fact that Breitbart hadn’t seen a doctor within the past year. Why did he report that? Because the protocol is that all the pertinent records and evidence were to be given to the coroner immediately. The coroner needs that in order to know what the autopsy should zoom in on. We’re not talking “fog of war”. We’re talking about the eyewitness testimony at its freshest point. That’s what the coroner was supposed to have. Why did he say that her body was retrieved from the wreckage?


82 posted on 04/03/2014 7:49:18 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: GBA

Everything with Kawasaki is fishy. Schuman said he flew full-time for Makani Kai for a year, but FAA records show that if he flew full-time at all this past year - for anybody - it began in June. He doesn’t appear as a Makani Kai pilot - even in the staff page that was put online about a week before this crash. His LinkedIn page has 2 different places he’s supposedly working full-time.

The guy is a mystery, and the information surrounding him is all screwy. It appears that he was in the military at some point. He’s got very few hours on the Cessna 208B.

All the records - about everything in this story - are contradictory. It’s absolutely crazy. And I’m talking official reports at this point.


83 posted on 04/03/2014 7:59:16 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: SatinDoll

That’s as plausible an explanation as anything I’ve heard.


84 posted on 04/03/2014 8:00:24 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion

Rubbish - your analysis was torn to shreds to the point that every non-committed reader of the thread could see your errors and that the planes were the same. Your absolute commitment to this theory prevents you seeing what’s obvious.

Now, explain again why they didn’t just give fake a heart attack at her home?


85 posted on 04/03/2014 8:02:16 AM PDT by cousteausghost
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To: cousteausghost
Now, explain again why they didn’t just give fake a heart attack at her home?

Having public people who are [a] involved (e.g. Fuddy) or [b] investigating (e.g Breitbart) conspiracy/corruption all dieing of sudden and unexpected heart-attacks would go a long way to tickling the "tin-foil hat reflex" and essentially draw attention to the people that they're trying to silence (meaning there'd be more chances for the info they were killed over to get out).

86 posted on 04/03/2014 8:17:42 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: butterdezillion

“But when death comes - and remember that none of us can stave off death forever, and some are closer than even they know - the lies will be your enemy because you will answer for every one of them.

“Repent, and live. It’s not too late.”

A timeless message for all souls, but particularly for Obots and trolls on FR who promote lies to defend liars!


87 posted on 04/03/2014 8:18:17 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: OneWingedShark

Exactly, and that explanation has been every time this dude has asked about it. But this dude is trying to rewrite the narrative. That’s all liars can do, and it’s what the fogbow liars have taken special pains to do here on FR through their self-admitted “sock puppets”. What’s bad is that there’s at least one moderator here who is one of them, which makes it a lot easier for them to fake what “everybody knows...” It’s a big disinformation campaign, and it’s beneath what the contributors here at FR have pitched in for this place to be.


88 posted on 04/03/2014 8:23:03 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: cousteausghost; LucyT
After many years of stress being harrassed by birthers.

REALLY? She got the job in 2011 and died in 2013!!!

and you have the nerve to blame her death on...

Birther /börthör/ n1. A person who exhibits the audacity to read the U.S. Constitution, and then demands that his/her government actually obeys it.  2. A derogatory term developed and used by Leftists and Neo-Cons in a lame attempt to marginalize those who harbor the silly notions that Truth matters, and that Republics perish who refuse to uphold the Rule of Law.

btw, You are very good at asking questions - hopeless at answering them.

and a poor liar...

I’ve been asked by a Freeper neighbour to sign up to add something to this thread, and this may well be my first and last post!

89 posted on 04/03/2014 8:24:30 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: butterdezillion
From your description and background info, he fits the MO and SOP those looking more closely have come to expect from the current PTBs.

As to the fogblowers and the foolish, bearing false witness and calumny is NOT a good plan for the future.

To those who don't believe that fact, I suggest they read a first hand account: My Descent Into Death: A Second Chance at Life by Howard Storm.

Or, they could listen to Glenn Beck describe his father's last words, when he looked up to the corner of the ceiling and said (IIRC):
"Okay.
I understand.
Yes, I'm ready.
Take me with you."

This is very similar to another first hand account a friend told me about his Father in law, who despite his long care for Alzheimer's and dementia, became very lucid and cogent and happily told family one afternoon (IIRC) that the angels had come to see him and told him to prepare, because tomorrow morning Jesus was coming for him.
The next morning he died.

Don't be fooled by an apostolic, rebellious world.

It's all real and the consequences everlasting. Choose your actions wisely.

90 posted on 04/03/2014 8:31:09 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: butterdezillion; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

See post 81


91 posted on 04/03/2014 8:32:48 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: Brown Deer

AND one of her first actions as DOH director was to get rid of any publicly accessible email. Everything had to be done through a web form, leaving the requestor no proof that the request was even sent.

If she was harassed by anything it was by her conscience because she’s hidden behind the firewall of a media that spouts lies - so badly that Bob Bauer could blatantly tell an easily-documented lie about no certified copies of long-forms being issued since the 1980’s, and only in special circumstances with intervention by the DOH director. What a load of poppycock! We’ve got video of a gal coming in and ordering a routine certified long-form. Bob Bauer should be disbarred for those lies. But he hasn’t been. He’s protected by a wall of LYING POS media producers who won’t allow their reporters to tell the truth.

Media people who edit out the parts of Puentes’ video that show what needs to be seen. And who pixelate the files once they’ve been warned that somebody is looking more closely. All while claiming that the video will silence the “crazy conspiracy theorists”. IOW, they knew what happened, they hid what happened, they libeled those who question what happened, and then they tried covering up the evidence of all the above.

Disgusting vermin. Why does anybody listen to any of those people any more?


92 posted on 04/03/2014 8:39:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion
I need to post a spelling error correction. I should have said:

Don't be fooled by the apostasy of our rebellious world.

Wowzers! I sure screwed that spelling (and message) up!

93 posted on 04/03/2014 8:42:37 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: butterdezillion

Amen to what you said!


94 posted on 04/03/2014 8:59:44 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: GBA; LucyT

Amen.

There’s a bumper sticker. I hope I remember the name right. You could put any name in there:

Nietzche: God is dead.
God: Nietzche is dead.

I play organ/piano for 2 funerals this week. One a woman who has been wanting to die for at least the last 10 years, the other a man who very much wanted to live but died during heart surgery.

I hope people take the warning seriously. A friend and I are praying for the salvation of the person who threatened me on my blog, “zola”. She’s been through a lot of pain in the years since Obama was elected, and people in pain do things they otherwise wouldn’t. And medicines affect what a person does too. God loves her, and I want her to thrive and prosper in the truth and in life, and that’s what I’m praying for.

In fact, Lucy, could you ping the list, so the whole list can pray for “zola”? All politics aside, I think we all hurt with those who are hurting and want what God wants for them: life, peace, hope, joy, love, and salvation.


95 posted on 04/03/2014 9:03:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: SatinDoll; null and void; LucyT; maggief; hoosiermama; crosslink

Interesting; fits in with all that we’ve seen so far.
Chopped up crash vids, funeral vids, messed-with Lang’s pics, conflicting rescuers reports etc.

All y’all, ping to this post and section of the thread!


96 posted on 04/03/2014 9:11:56 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: butterdezillion

thanks butter for the thoughts and pointing out the apparent actions by a FOGGYBOTTOM. i’d really like the manly foggybottom, anon moderator to get some man-parts and name yourself. it’s too bad if someone is in charge of moderating that has a foggy-doj russo group-mybarackobama.dot com, WH, DNC, etc agenda. There are enough of those mindless bots in the alphabet networks and kossacks and Dumpsters.


97 posted on 04/03/2014 9:16:29 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: butterdezillion
What’s bad is that there’s at least one moderator here who is one of them

Yes, clearly anyone who laughs at your nutcase conspiracy crap is part of the conspiracy.

98 posted on 04/03/2014 9:33:37 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: butterdezillion

Would you happen to have a link to this picture taken from the air, please?


99 posted on 04/03/2014 9:59:12 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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just wow.

I know Nebraska has been having a rough winter. Perhaps when the corn is planted you will feel better.


100 posted on 04/03/2014 9:59:17 AM PDT by Nifster
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